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Episode 162: Discovering Models and Indices with the Nasdaq Fund Network

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If you can’t find the price of an asset, model, or index, does it really exist? If it’s on the Nasdaq Fund Network you know it does and you know the price. Today, Aidan Shue and Ben Jones with the Nasdaq Fund Network join us to talk about discoverability and the needs and opportunities of an ever-increasingly digital world.
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[paul_tyler]: hi this is paul tyler and welcome

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[aidan_shue]: m

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[paul_tyler]: to another episode of that annuity show
ramsey how are you

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[ramsey_d_smith]: i’m fantastic

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[paul_tyler]: was your labor day weekend

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[ramsey_d_smith]: it was great

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[ramsey_d_smith]: to spent some time down in florida
turned fifty five other than that no big

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[ramsey_d_smith]: deal m

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[aidan_shue]: i

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[paul_tyler]: excellent excellent yeah well i you know
my wife

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[paul_tyler]: had a lot of work cut out
for

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

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[paul_tyler]: me and you wonder why i’m this
shirt were actually i’m actually volunteering

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[paul_tyler]: at our food bank with our with
our our crew so

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[aidan_shue]: wow

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[ramsey_d_smith]: nice

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[aidan_shue]: for you

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[paul_tyler]: yeah i was telling ben before i
don’t know if i’m

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[aidan_shue]: m

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[paul_tyler]: going to sort potatoes or carrots this
time but whatever it is all be good

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[Ben Jones]: it’s good

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[aidan_shue]: m

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[Ben Jones]: work

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

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[paul_tyler]: yeah so hey listen we’ve got we’ve
got a

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[ramsey_d_smith]: m

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[paul_tyler]: great team back with us today from
our partners and friends at nasdack and today

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[paul_tyler]: we have aidenshoe and ben jones

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[aidan_shue]: yeah

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[paul_tyler]: with the nasdack fun network and aidan
did i i pronounced it correctly right

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[aidan_shue]: that is correct aidan

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[paul_tyler]: okay

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[aidan_shue]: shoe thanks a lot for having

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[paul_tyler]: okay

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[aidan_shue]: me on

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[paul_tyler]: good yeah

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[paul_tyler]: willen and ben good to see you

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[Ben Jones]: likewise ramsey happy birthday first of

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: all but now it’s it’s great to

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[ramsey_d_smith]: thank you very much appreciate

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[Ben Jones]: now

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[ramsey_d_smith]: it

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[Ben Jones]: it’s good to be on we have
a lot of great things to discuss

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[aidan_shue]: ah

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[paul_tyler]: h

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[Ben Jones]: today so thanks

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: for

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: having f n on today

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

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[paul_tyler]: yeah so

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[ramsey_d_smith]: m

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[paul_tyler]: so let me let me just

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[aidan_shue]: oh

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[paul_tyler]: state the

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[paul_tyler]: most obvious question is what is n
f n and then maybe talk about both

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[paul_tyler]: of your roles and aid and i’ll
throw the question over to you to start

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[aidan_shue]: definitely i’ll dig right in so the
nasdac fund network is actually one of nazdak’s

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[aidan_shue]: longest

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[aidan_shue]: standing data services

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[aidan_shue]: so we provide search able symbols and
price discover ability for mutual funds twenty nine

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[aidan_shue]: club savings plans collective investment trust models

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[aidan_shue]: utes and more so we receive

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[aidan_shue]: that nightly pricing information from these funds
custodians

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[aidan_shue]: or pricing agents like your state street
then we disseminate

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[aidan_shue]: that n v data downstream to hundreds
of different platforms so that’s yeah who finance

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[aidan_shue]: definitive bloom burg both retail institutional platforms

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[aidan_shue]: so now you can search up any
of these products you know five twenty nine

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[aidan_shue]: or a c i t in the
exact same way you would mutual fund stock

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[aidan_shue]: or any

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[aidan_shue]: tfyuknowusing that search able symbol and you
know we really find that that transparency and

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[aidan_shue]: distribution it really helps validate some of
these growing asset classes like like a model

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[aidan_shue]: for example i know ben’s kind of
a history buff so he can dig in

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[aidan_shue]: a little bit more on

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[paul_tyler]: m yeah

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[aidan_shue]: the on the nazdacfunnetwork

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[Ben Jones]: yeah

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[aidan_shue]: history

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[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

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[Ben Jones]: yeah

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[aidan_shue]: all of them

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[ramsey_d_smith]: and tell us a little

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[aidan_shue]: take

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[ramsey_d_smith]: bit

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[aidan_shue]: a go

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[ramsey_d_smith]: on that journey tell us a little
bit about you know

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[aidan_shue]: oh

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[ramsey_d_smith]: what

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[ramsey_d_smith]: what a model is an example of
a model and why those are also important

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[ramsey_d_smith]: to be helpful

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[aidan_shue]: ben you ben’s kind of our model
expert

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[Ben Jones]: so

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[aidan_shue]: you

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[Ben Jones]: history

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[aidan_shue]: want to dig in with

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[ramsey_d_smith]: m

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[aidan_shue]: the

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[Ben Jones]: and

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[aidan_shue]: models

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[Ben Jones]: models i love it i

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: mean this is why i’m on this
call gets me

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[ramsey_d_smith]: hm

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[Ben Jones]: excited right so

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: okay thanks for having

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[ramsey_d_smith]: m

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[Ben Jones]: ben jones senior director

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: kind of a project product

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[ramsey_d_smith]: m

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[Ben Jones]: manage roll at the naz fun network
and we get into that in a second

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[Ben Jones]: but

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: let’s talk history right i mean it
in said it’s one of the oldest data

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[Ben Jones]: service

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: products at naa so what does that

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: mean right so the nazacfun network used
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[aidan_shue]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: be called the mutual un quotation service
and its history goes back

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[aidan_shue]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: to nineteen eighty four um it’s at
that time

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: right you had you know large and
growing

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: mutual fun

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: opening complex right but there was

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: some friction there were some issues you
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[Ben Jones]: of different identifiers and

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: symbols that some of the issues would
provide or some of the data platforms would

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[Ben Jones]: provide there was no central registration service

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: for mutual funds to provide a standardized

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[Ben Jones]: identification or symbology for all those opening
funds and

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[Ben Jones]: why is that important because at that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m

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[Ben Jones]: what

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: was the medium

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: that was being used newspapers

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: right you had a lot of retail
investors who were lying on that daily

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[Ben Jones]: newspaper or that sunday

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[Ben Jones]: newspaper to see the mutual funds that
he may own in a retirement plan or

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[Ben Jones]: their investment account um you would open

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: up the financial

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: section you would go down and find
your fund and you

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[Ben Jones]: can look at

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[aidan_shue]: hm

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[Ben Jones]: the fun symbol the identifier to see
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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: so the service started as a way
of disseminating those mutual fund quotes and symbol

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[Ben Jones]: was identified as out to all those

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[Ben Jones]: newspapers and the funny thing there again
you got the history guy on so newspapers

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[Ben Jones]: are actually kind of the center

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[aidan_shue]: uh

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: for a lot of

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[aidan_shue]: huh

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[Ben Jones]: financial innovation right so back in the
eighties i mean that was fin tech that

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[Ben Jones]: was like what

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[Ben Jones]: financial technology

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: was all about getting data out there

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: you know you had the blomberg terminal

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[paul_tyler]: yes

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[Ben Jones]: was beginning the morning star was founded
i think in the same year

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: but you also

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: found indexes

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: were created because

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: of newspapers

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[aidan_shue]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: and technical analysis

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[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

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[Ben Jones]: really was revolutionized because

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: of newspaper all because of charles do
so that’s a little history nut for you

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[Ben Jones]: guys so

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[aidan_shue]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: over time

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: is we are a two sided network
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[paul_tyler]: or our space now discover ability has
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[paul_tyler]: is kind of like you know buying
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[paul_tyler]: performance but it really was built around
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[paul_tyler]: ramsey like i don’t know is it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: for the for the benefit of the
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[Ben Jones]: what we’re trying to solve right the
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[Ben Jones]: that individual investors that are listening who
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[Ben Jones]: way up to you know you know
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[Ben Jones]: by having a

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[Ben Jones]: standardize identify so ramsey like

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: the index example like as an index
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[Ben Jones]: that you use then you distribute it
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[paul_tyler]: yah

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[Ben Jones]: to the market place bloom burg efinitive
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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: you know goldman

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[Ben Jones]: sacks you know dodging cox they might
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[Ben Jones]: and so and then that doesn’t

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[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

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[Ben Jones]: like i just want to go on
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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: search engine and search for it to
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[Ben Jones]: they can’t

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[ramsey_d_smith]: my

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[Ben Jones]: do it and so what the naze
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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: does is that we provide the infrastructure
to create a standardized identify

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: and we start with the investment vehicles
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[ramsey_d_smith]: start

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[Ben Jones]: so you know you can pull up
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: fund using the same identifyer

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[Ben Jones]: on your charles save

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[paul_tyler]: ah

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: or google right you know we that
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[Ben Jones]: that in other areas

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: you know we mentioned models right so
a model

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[Ben Jones]: portfolio is basically

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[Ben Jones]: like a paper

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[ramsey_d_smith]: m

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[Ben Jones]: portfolio that a strategist or portfolio manager
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[Ben Jones]: they’re able to track

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: over time that has performance that they’re
able to update these models are then often

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: track via manage accounts right so i
think like a unified manage account or separately

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[Ben Jones]: manage account um and so you know
a lot of

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: portfolio managers

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[Ben Jones]: and asset

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[paul_tyler]: m

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[Ben Jones]: managers have

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[Ben Jones]: hundreds if not

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[ramsey_d_smith]: yea

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[Ben Jones]: thousands of these models model

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[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

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[Ben Jones]: portfolios and they don’t have an identity
identify

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: right so if you have a someone
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[Ben Jones]: wants to go find it they can’t
right and so what we want to do

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[Ben Jones]: is create identify

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: an identifier

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[Ben Jones]: for these strategies that

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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[Ben Jones]: can be found

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[Ben Jones]: in access across other mediums

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[paul_tyler]: yeah

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[Ben Jones]: other platforms that is standardized

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[paul_tyler]: a

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[ramsey_d_smith]: so let me ask you a quick
question about that so if if i have

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[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s a fund it’s a model would
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[paul_tyler]: oh

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[ramsey_d_smith]: you and i come to you and
i say you know i want it to

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[ramsey_d_smith]: be i want it to be listed
on your now on your network

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[ramsey_d_smith]: where does it automatically end up being
visible like do i do i need to

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[ramsey_d_smith]: i need to ask you to put
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[ramsey_d_smith]: if once i’m on the network universally
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[aidan_shue]: we have because we’ve

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[aidan_shue]: had this you know the mutual fund
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[aidan_shue]: you know these searchable symbols for mutual
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[aidan_shue]: same way the mutual

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[Ben Jones]: yeah

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[aidan_shue]: funds come in it

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[aidan_shue]: takes a little bit a little bit
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[aidan_shue]: but you know it’s going to go
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[paul_tyler]: oh

459
00:10:11,358 –> 00:10:16,647
[aidan_shue]: and refinitive so both you know over
seven hundred different platforms that you can now

460
00:10:16,747 –> 00:10:17,929
[aidan_shue]: do you know model

461
00:10:18,123 –> 00:10:18,783
[paul_tyler]: oh

462
00:10:18,350 –> 00:10:20,759
[aidan_shue]: do diligence on you’ve never been

463
00:10:20,620 –> 00:10:20,640
[paul_tyler]: a

464
00:10:20,799 –> 00:10:21,060
[aidan_shue]: able to

465
00:10:21,060 –> 00:10:21,320
[Ben Jones]: yeah

466
00:10:21,101 –> 00:10:21,262
[aidan_shue]: do in

467
00:10:21,275 –> 00:10:21,521
[paul_tyler]: okay

468
00:10:21,291 –> 00:10:21,351
[ramsey_d_smith]: so

469
00:10:21,302 –> 00:10:21,664
[aidan_shue]: the past

470
00:10:21,431 –> 00:10:21,652
[ramsey_d_smith]: so that’s

471
00:10:21,885 –> 00:10:21,986
[aidan_shue]: so

472
00:10:22,213 –> 00:10:22,393
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s

473
00:10:22,227 –> 00:10:22,449
[aidan_shue]: you know

474
00:10:22,433 –> 00:10:24,536
[ramsey_d_smith]: meaningful because we had a situation

475
00:10:24,213 –> 00:10:24,579
[paul_tyler]: oh

476
00:10:24,617 –> 00:10:25,698
[ramsey_d_smith]: once we created an index

477
00:10:25,629 –> 00:10:25,830
[Ben Jones]: yeah

478
00:10:26,199 –> 00:10:27,682
[ramsey_d_smith]: and we were calling who financed

479
00:10:27,363 –> 00:10:28,000
[paul_tyler]: ye

480
00:10:27,722 –> 00:10:30,987
[ramsey_d_smith]: separately and we were calling market watch
separately

481
00:10:30,810 –> 00:10:31,070
[Ben Jones]: oh

482
00:10:30,963 –> 00:10:31,773
[paul_tyler]: oh

483
00:10:31,187 –> 00:10:33,551
[ramsey_d_smith]: and like you know it was

484
00:10:33,510 –> 00:10:33,818
[Ben Jones]: oh

485
00:10:33,672 –> 00:10:34,954
[ramsey_d_smith]: very difficult to get somebody

486
00:10:34,800 –> 00:10:35,022
[Ben Jones]: yeah

487
00:10:34,994 –> 00:10:35,795
[ramsey_d_smith]: that actually could make

488
00:10:35,760 –> 00:10:35,940
[Ben Jones]: oh

489
00:10:35,835 –> 00:10:40,062
[ramsey_d_smith]: a decision to push the information through
and so you

490
00:10:40,020 –> 00:10:40,541
[Ben Jones]: oh

491
00:10:40,122 –> 00:10:42,286
[ramsey_d_smith]: guys are a short cut through all
that across

492
00:10:42,342 –> 00:10:42,363
[paul_tyler]: m

493
00:10:43,187 –> 00:10:44,049
[ramsey_d_smith]: it the whole spectrum

494
00:10:43,788 –> 00:10:43,908
[Ben Jones]: that

495
00:10:44,109 –> 00:10:44,149
[ramsey_d_smith]: of

496
00:10:45,150 –> 00:10:45,310
[Ben Jones]: that’s

497
00:10:45,213 –> 00:10:45,721
[ramsey_d_smith]: of publishers

498
00:10:45,350 –> 00:10:47,053
[Ben Jones]: why we’re here right i think but
but it

499
00:10:47,042 –> 00:10:47,427
[aidan_shue]: exactly

500
00:10:47,133 –> 00:10:47,734
[Ben Jones]: does open

501
00:10:47,501 –> 00:10:48,671
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

502
00:10:47,814 –> 00:10:48,896
[Ben Jones]: up some some questions

503
00:10:49,031 –> 00:10:49,051
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

504
00:10:49,036 –> 00:10:50,458
[Ben Jones]: right because you know

505
00:10:50,758 –> 00:10:51,341
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm

506
00:10:50,959 –> 00:10:51,680
[Ben Jones]: a managed account

507
00:10:51,701 –> 00:10:52,751
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

508
00:10:51,741 –> 00:10:53,063
[Ben Jones]: is very different than less say a
structured

509
00:10:52,871 –> 00:10:53,076
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

510
00:10:53,123 –> 00:10:55,887
[Ben Jones]: product a structure product is very different
than a mutual fund a mutual

511
00:10:55,841 –> 00:10:55,861
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

512
00:10:55,948 –> 00:10:57,090
[Ben Jones]: fund is even different

513
00:10:57,053 –> 00:10:57,761
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm

514
00:10:57,230 –> 00:11:00,736
[Ben Jones]: another now let’s a investment company which
is a u i t right so you

515
00:11:00,816 –> 00:11:03,721
[Ben Jones]: do have some data points and characteristics
that

516
00:11:03,761 –> 00:11:03,922
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

517
00:11:03,761 –> 00:11:08,468
[Ben Jones]: are specific to each investment vehicle so
it is the job of the product team

518
00:11:08,482 –> 00:11:08,543
[ramsey_d_smith]: the

519
00:11:08,549 –> 00:11:09,691
[Ben Jones]: as well as the opera tiens team

520
00:11:09,551 –> 00:11:09,733
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

521
00:11:09,871 –> 00:11:12,275
[Ben Jones]: as well as the technology teams to
make sure that we

522
00:11:12,663 –> 00:11:12,964
[paul_tyler]: oh

523
00:11:12,796 –> 00:11:16,322
[Ben Jones]: you know capturing the right data points
and more importantly

524
00:11:16,323 –> 00:11:17,193
[paul_tyler]: oh

525
00:11:16,482 –> 00:11:18,685
[Ben Jones]: that our sales and relatioship managers

526
00:11:18,731 –> 00:11:18,931
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

527
00:11:18,786 –> 00:11:22,151
[Ben Jones]: who are working with these accounts make
sure that the stream clients

528
00:11:21,941 –> 00:11:22,931
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

529
00:11:22,512 –> 00:11:23,033
[Ben Jones]: know these data

530
00:11:23,051 –> 00:11:24,191
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

531
00:11:23,113 –> 00:11:23,413
[Ben Jones]: vendors

532
00:11:23,163 –> 00:11:24,363
[paul_tyler]: yeah

533
00:11:23,674 –> 00:11:24,836
[Ben Jones]: are able to pick up these new

534
00:11:25,001 –> 00:11:25,901
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

535
00:11:25,176 –> 00:11:25,377
[Ben Jones]: data

536
00:11:25,242 –> 00:11:25,263
[paul_tyler]: m

537
00:11:25,437 –> 00:11:27,560
[Ben Jones]: points right because that’s important is that

538
00:11:27,536 –> 00:11:27,556
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

539
00:11:27,781 –> 00:11:28,081
[Ben Jones]: you know we

540
00:11:28,370 –> 00:11:28,391
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

541
00:11:28,682 –> 00:11:32,108
[Ben Jones]: to make sure that the the infrastructure
is flexible that we can ingest all these

542
00:11:32,433 –> 00:11:33,633
[paul_tyler]: yes

543
00:11:32,488 –> 00:11:32,989
[Ben Jones]: different data

544
00:11:32,885 –> 00:11:33,277
[ramsey_d_smith]: jeff

545
00:11:33,250 –> 00:11:34,752
[Ben Jones]: via structure products are mutual

546
00:11:34,751 –> 00:11:34,972
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

547
00:11:34,772 –> 00:11:36,716
[Ben Jones]: funds and make sure that our downstream
clients

548
00:11:36,671 –> 00:11:37,571
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

549
00:11:36,756 –> 00:11:37,817
[Ben Jones]: can pick them up as well so

550
00:11:37,902 –> 00:11:37,923
[paul_tyler]: m

551
00:11:38,111 –> 00:11:38,331
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

552
00:11:38,398 –> 00:11:38,699
[Ben Jones]: it’s you

553
00:11:38,643 –> 00:11:39,363
[paul_tyler]: yeah

554
00:11:38,739 –> 00:11:43,847
[Ben Jones]: know is constantly having those conversation it’s
constantly innovating and it’s constantly making sure that

555
00:11:43,908 –> 00:11:45,009
[Ben Jones]: we are putting the right data

556
00:11:45,063 –> 00:11:46,083
[paul_tyler]: yeah

557
00:11:45,210 –> 00:11:47,418
[Ben Jones]: there for each investment vehicle or asset
class

558
00:11:47,372 –> 00:11:47,599
[aidan_shue]: oh

559
00:11:49,140 –> 00:11:49,360
[Ben Jones]: yah

560
00:11:49,183 –> 00:11:53,270
[paul_tyler]: there’s tremendous value today i don’t care
what business you are being

561
00:11:53,089 –> 00:11:53,250
[Ben Jones]: yah

562
00:11:53,671 –> 00:11:59,460
[paul_tyler]: found some place in the web so
let me pull that thread a little farther

563
00:11:59,520 –> 00:12:00,722
[paul_tyler]: that ramsey

564
00:12:01,571 –> 00:12:01,871
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

565
00:12:01,604 –> 00:12:05,530
[paul_tyler]: uh kind of started taking us down
we have a lot of investment

566
00:12:05,501 –> 00:12:05,805
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

567
00:12:05,570 –> 00:12:09,197
[paul_tyler]: advisors who listen to this program they
do retirement planning maybe they sell some annuities

568
00:12:09,317 –> 00:12:10,799
[paul_tyler]: maybe they’ve got their their they’ve

569
00:12:10,661 –> 00:12:10,866
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

570
00:12:10,839 –> 00:12:15,888
[paul_tyler]: got an r a or their an
i some place suppose imagine i’m an an

571
00:12:16,128 –> 00:12:22,759
[paul_tyler]: r a and i’ve got my own
model that’s running some place uh can i

572
00:12:22,839 –> 00:12:25,764
[paul_tyler]: get this up on the n f
n can i get it my client could

573
00:12:26,360 –> 00:12:26,381
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

574
00:12:26,405 –> 00:12:27,628
[paul_tyler]: actually find their

575
00:12:27,551 –> 00:12:30,131
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

576
00:12:27,728 –> 00:12:33,819
[paul_tyler]: portfolio performance and track a track the
performance on their their eye phone on their

577
00:12:33,859 –> 00:12:35,161
[paul_tyler]: favorite stock tracker

578
00:12:36,281 –> 00:12:39,226
[Ben Jones]: the answer is yes right you were
able to take

579
00:12:39,191 –> 00:12:39,471
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

580
00:12:39,266 –> 00:12:39,426
[Ben Jones]: that

581
00:12:39,303 –> 00:12:39,692
[paul_tyler]: uh

582
00:12:39,586 –> 00:12:44,434
[Ben Jones]: that model value you know be able
to track a value for and then

583
00:12:44,360 –> 00:12:44,480
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

584
00:12:44,494 –> 00:12:45,356
[Ben Jones]: be able to distribute that data

585
00:12:45,350 –> 00:12:45,371
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

586
00:12:45,456 –> 00:12:48,802
[Ben Jones]: out there right kind of it’s wrong
now we’re not distributing

587
00:12:48,941 –> 00:12:49,245
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

588
00:12:49,082 –> 00:12:49,743
[Ben Jones]: holdings or

589
00:12:49,772 –> 00:12:49,792
[aidan_shue]: m

590
00:12:49,803 –> 00:12:51,065
[Ben Jones]: anything like that it’s just

591
00:12:51,011 –> 00:12:51,989
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye

592
00:12:51,126 –> 00:12:52,067
[Ben Jones]: really kind of tracking a

593
00:12:52,064 –> 00:12:52,266
[paul_tyler]: right

594
00:12:52,107 –> 00:12:53,309
[Ben Jones]: value for this hypothetical

595
00:12:53,313 –> 00:12:53,577
[paul_tyler]: oh

596
00:12:53,429 –> 00:12:55,793
[Ben Jones]: portfolio m and so the answer is

597
00:12:55,842 –> 00:12:55,863
[paul_tyler]: m

598
00:12:56,054 –> 00:12:56,655
[Ben Jones]: yes now

599
00:12:57,243 –> 00:12:57,669
[paul_tyler]: yeah

600
00:12:57,817 –> 00:12:58,438
[Ben Jones]: you know we don’t have to

601
00:12:58,443 –> 00:12:58,710
[paul_tyler]: yeah

602
00:12:58,478 –> 00:13:00,281
[Ben Jones]: get into today but you know the
relator

603
00:13:00,093 –> 00:13:00,375
[paul_tyler]: oh

604
00:13:00,139 –> 00:13:00,260
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

605
00:13:00,341 –> 00:13:00,862
[Ben Jones]: environment is

606
00:13:00,941 –> 00:13:01,811
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

607
00:13:00,982 –> 00:13:04,588
[Ben Jones]: changing in the way that you know
that performance can be kind

608
00:13:04,481 –> 00:13:04,802
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

609
00:13:04,608 –> 00:13:06,090
[Ben Jones]: of distributed and marketed

610
00:13:06,042 –> 00:13:06,063
[paul_tyler]: m

611
00:13:06,131 –> 00:13:09,095
[Ben Jones]: and so there are some separate conversation
s we can have about that but to

612
00:13:09,136 –> 00:13:10,257
[Ben Jones]: answer you question yes i mean it
will

613
00:13:10,211 –> 00:13:10,458
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

614
00:13:10,277 –> 00:13:11,820
[Ben Jones]: be no different than you know a

615
00:13:11,853 –> 00:13:12,256
[paul_tyler]: oh

616
00:13:11,861 –> 00:13:15,512
[Ben Jones]: large as manager versus n r a
now they’re regula differently but for the most

617
00:13:15,592 –> 00:13:15,793
[Ben Jones]: part

618
00:13:15,912 –> 00:13:15,933
[paul_tyler]: m

619
00:13:16,334 –> 00:13:16,595
[Ben Jones]: if we can

620
00:13:16,563 –> 00:13:16,851
[paul_tyler]: oh

621
00:13:16,635 –> 00:13:18,460
[Ben Jones]: take that model value on

622
00:13:18,461 –> 00:13:18,705
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

623
00:13:18,520 –> 00:13:20,083
[Ben Jones]: a azacfunnetwork and then

624
00:13:20,051 –> 00:13:20,254
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

625
00:13:20,403 –> 00:13:21,946
[Ben Jones]: get it out there that strategy

626
00:13:21,822 –> 00:13:21,843
[paul_tyler]: m

627
00:13:22,006 –> 00:13:26,233
[Ben Jones]: will be able to be identifiable or
identified and discovered and paul you you brought

628
00:13:26,253 –> 00:13:28,336
[Ben Jones]: up a good point about you know
the internet right it’s like

629
00:13:28,473 –> 00:13:29,283
[paul_tyler]: oh

630
00:13:28,717 –> 00:13:28,917
[Ben Jones]: you know

631
00:13:28,901 –> 00:13:29,125
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

632
00:13:28,997 –> 00:13:30,901
[Ben Jones]: what has replaced newspaper

633
00:13:30,914 –> 00:13:30,996
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

634
00:13:30,941 –> 00:13:33,184
[Ben Jones]: is why we started ff talking about
newspaper as well as the internet right and

635
00:13:33,245 –> 00:13:33,345
[Ben Jones]: so

636
00:13:33,333 –> 00:13:33,454
[paul_tyler]: ye

637
00:13:33,866 –> 00:13:37,892
[Ben Jones]: that opened up a whole new market
for this type of data and so search

638
00:13:37,952 –> 00:13:39,014
[Ben Jones]: engineoptimization is

639
00:13:38,981 –> 00:13:39,911
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

640
00:13:39,074 –> 00:13:43,341
[Ben Jones]: an important you know question that a
lot of ask managers strategists need to answer

641
00:13:43,462 –> 00:13:44,363
[Ben Jones]: right how would

642
00:13:44,351 –> 00:13:44,677
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

643
00:13:44,383 –> 00:13:45,966
[Ben Jones]: their strategies to be discovered because we
know

644
00:13:45,971 –> 00:13:46,216
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

645
00:13:45,986 –> 00:13:48,991
[Ben Jones]: that the way products are being distributed
is changing right it’s not just this

646
00:13:49,151 –> 00:13:49,833
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

647
00:13:49,151 –> 00:13:51,675
[Ben Jones]: old wholesale or slash wholesaler model

648
00:13:51,552 –> 00:13:51,573
[paul_tyler]: m

649
00:13:51,755 –> 00:13:52,577
[Ben Jones]: right that’s evolved

650
00:13:52,601 –> 00:13:52,862
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

651
00:13:53,098 –> 00:13:58,627
[Ben Jones]: and so we’ve done something siding in
europe where you have the use funds which

652
00:13:58,707 –> 00:14:03,255
[Ben Jones]: is kind of their kind of fun
structure in europe well they don’t have standardized

653
00:14:03,355 –> 00:14:04,857
[Ben Jones]: identifies right on a ticker

654
00:14:04,720 –> 00:14:05,591
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah yeah

655
00:14:04,917 –> 00:14:05,959
[Ben Jones]: level right so you

656
00:14:05,891 –> 00:14:06,212
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

657
00:14:05,999 –> 00:14:08,227
[Ben Jones]: can pul up a long digit icon

658
00:14:08,720 –> 00:14:08,840
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

659
00:14:09,010 –> 00:14:12,275
[Ben Jones]: you don’t have what we have in
the u s where it’s like x five

660
00:14:12,153 –> 00:14:12,434
[paul_tyler]: oh

661
00:14:12,335 –> 00:14:13,117
[Ben Jones]: characters and so

662
00:14:13,223 –> 00:14:13,323
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

663
00:14:13,537 –> 00:14:15,741
[Ben Jones]: we’re bringing this service to europe and
one of the

664
00:14:15,723 –> 00:14:15,925
[paul_tyler]: oh

665
00:14:15,841 –> 00:14:16,001
[Ben Jones]: key

666
00:14:16,181 –> 00:14:16,407
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

667
00:14:16,182 –> 00:14:17,103
[Ben Jones]: value props there

668
00:14:16,961 –> 00:14:17,223
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

669
00:14:17,523 –> 00:14:17,845
[paul_tyler]: oh

670
00:14:17,644 –> 00:14:18,345
[Ben Jones]: is searching

671
00:14:18,311 –> 00:14:18,511
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

672
00:14:18,385 –> 00:14:22,251
[Ben Jones]: and otimization is that by having an
identify or have a symbol it’s much easier

673
00:14:22,311 –> 00:14:25,936
[Ben Jones]: for an investor to find a strategy
on line which is

674
00:14:25,902 –> 00:14:25,923
[paul_tyler]: m

675
00:14:25,996 –> 00:14:27,438
[Ben Jones]: typically were they’re doing the research anyway

676
00:14:27,971 –> 00:14:34,397
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh yeah so in terms of your
business man like i said two questions one

677
00:14:34,349 –> 00:14:34,431
[paul_tyler]: what

678
00:14:34,497 –> 00:14:35,920
[ramsey_d_smith]: is to what extent

679
00:14:36,423 –> 00:14:36,664
[paul_tyler]: oh

680
00:14:36,781 –> 00:14:39,906
[ramsey_d_smith]: what it takes to actually be listed
is there a screening function that people have

681
00:14:39,947 –> 00:14:42,932
[ramsey_d_smith]: to you know somehow justify

682
00:14:42,873 –> 00:14:43,159
[paul_tyler]: oh

683
00:14:43,673 –> 00:14:48,401
[ramsey_d_smith]: justify having a position on your network
and the next sort of follow unto that

684
00:14:48,501 –> 00:14:49,963
[ramsey_d_smith]: is you know ultimately who

685
00:14:49,941 –> 00:14:50,103
[paul_tyler]: yeah

686
00:14:50,083 –> 00:14:53,770
[ramsey_d_smith]: pays for your service is it the
people that are listening or the people that

687
00:14:53,730 –> 00:14:53,993
[Ben Jones]: oh

688
00:14:53,830 –> 00:14:55,396
[ramsey_d_smith]: are receiving or some combination of

689
00:14:55,413 –> 00:14:55,494
[Ben Jones]: ah

690
00:14:55,476 –> 00:14:55,677
[ramsey_d_smith]: both

691
00:14:57,792 –> 00:14:58,853
[aidan_shue]: so for the models

692
00:14:58,482 –> 00:14:58,503
[paul_tyler]: m

693
00:14:59,351 –> 00:14:59,801
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

694
00:14:59,354 –> 00:15:03,999
[aidan_shue]: the only kind of identifier that we
need is that the kips compliant firms so

695
00:15:04,039 –> 00:15:05,420
[aidan_shue]: we’re only working with kipps compliant

696
00:15:05,302 –> 00:15:05,543
[ramsey_d_smith]: what is

697
00:15:05,481 –> 00:15:05,821
[aidan_shue]: firms

698
00:15:05,604 –> 00:15:06,227
[ramsey_d_smith]: gyp i’m sorry

699
00:15:06,443 –> 00:15:07,112
[aidan_shue]: um

700
00:15:06,453 –> 00:15:07,413
[paul_tyler]: oh

701
00:15:08,153 –> 00:15:08,315
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

702
00:15:08,384 –> 00:15:09,687
[aidan_shue]: gib stands for benemiris

703
00:15:09,288 –> 00:15:09,450
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

704
00:15:09,868 –> 00:15:12,740
[aidan_shue]: the global do you know the actual

705
00:15:12,791 –> 00:15:13,721
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

706
00:15:12,840 –> 00:15:13,424
[aidan_shue]: acronym for that

707
00:15:13,563 –> 00:15:13,784
[paul_tyler]: oh

708
00:15:13,565 –> 00:15:14,088
[aidan_shue]: g p s

709
00:15:14,061 –> 00:15:15,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: or even just what gibs does what

710
00:15:15,360 –> 00:15:15,502
[Ben Jones]: yeah

711
00:15:15,465 –> 00:15:16,027
[ramsey_d_smith]: is there what

712
00:15:15,963 –> 00:15:16,144
[paul_tyler]: oh

713
00:15:16,067 –> 00:15:17,251
[ramsey_d_smith]: do they make you do what is
there

714
00:15:17,700 –> 00:15:18,778
[Ben Jones]: uh

715
00:15:17,793 –> 00:15:19,057
[ramsey_d_smith]: what is their compliance function

716
00:15:20,784 –> 00:15:21,106
[aidan_shue]: then dig

717
00:15:20,991 –> 00:15:21,051
[Ben Jones]: so

718
00:15:21,033 –> 00:15:21,256
[paul_tyler]: oh

719
00:15:21,146 –> 00:15:21,307
[aidan_shue]: into

720
00:15:21,151 –> 00:15:21,531
[Ben Jones]: basically

721
00:15:21,368 –> 00:15:21,428
[aidan_shue]: it

722
00:15:21,692 –> 00:15:22,774
[Ben Jones]: you know it’s a performance standards

723
00:15:22,841 –> 00:15:23,531
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

724
00:15:22,854 –> 00:15:23,174
[Ben Jones]: right so

725
00:15:24,242 –> 00:15:24,526
[aidan_shue]: yeah

726
00:15:24,316 –> 00:15:24,496
[Ben Jones]: it is

727
00:15:24,511 –> 00:15:25,451
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

728
00:15:24,757 –> 00:15:28,363
[Ben Jones]: brought by the c f a supervides
performance standards and audited for

729
00:15:28,653 –> 00:15:28,957
[paul_tyler]: oh

730
00:15:28,832 –> 00:15:28,893
[ramsey_d_smith]: we

731
00:15:28,844 –> 00:15:29,986
[Ben Jones]: um as managers

732
00:15:29,861 –> 00:15:30,104
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

733
00:15:30,046 –> 00:15:33,391
[Ben Jones]: are a separately managed account so it’s
a standardized way reporting performance

734
00:15:32,992 –> 00:15:33,012
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

735
00:15:34,032 –> 00:15:34,173
[Ben Jones]: and

736
00:15:34,100 –> 00:15:34,121
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

737
00:15:34,373 –> 00:15:34,553
[Ben Jones]: you know

738
00:15:34,542 –> 00:15:34,563
[paul_tyler]: m

739
00:15:34,593 –> 00:15:35,835
[Ben Jones]: what we’re trying to make sure is
that these

740
00:15:35,711 –> 00:15:35,732
[paul_tyler]: i

741
00:15:36,036 –> 00:15:39,501
[Ben Jones]: you know firms are kind of vetted
right and so by having this kind

742
00:15:39,434 –> 00:15:39,454
[aidan_shue]: a

743
00:15:39,561 –> 00:15:44,169
[Ben Jones]: of compliance you know box checked we
know that you know these models have gone

744
00:15:44,189 –> 00:15:44,370
[Ben Jones]: through

745
00:15:44,373 –> 00:15:44,761
[paul_tyler]: oh

746
00:15:44,490 –> 00:15:48,016
[Ben Jones]: auditing process and so that’s one standard
we have for the models with mutual

747
00:15:48,043 –> 00:15:48,187
[aidan_shue]: yeah

748
00:15:48,076 –> 00:15:49,458
[Ben Jones]: funds you have to be you know
an investment

749
00:15:49,481 –> 00:15:49,783
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

750
00:15:49,518 –> 00:15:52,082
[Ben Jones]: company you have to be mutuafun company
you same

751
00:15:52,001 –> 00:15:52,021
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

752
00:15:52,122 –> 00:15:56,209
[Ben Jones]: thing with t structure products etcetera so
there is like a veting process

753
00:15:55,850 –> 00:15:55,871
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

754
00:15:56,730 –> 00:16:01,037
[Ben Jones]: and so and also operationally like we
need to make sure that you know we

755
00:16:01,157 –> 00:16:04,283
[Ben Jones]: have these operational processes and checks in
place and so

756
00:16:04,370 –> 00:16:04,391
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

757
00:16:04,804 –> 00:16:08,149
[Ben Jones]: we can’t serve everyone but we are
able to serve those that were able

758
00:16:08,103 –> 00:16:08,123
[paul_tyler]: m

759
00:16:08,209 –> 00:16:10,774
[Ben Jones]: to get the data from that have
gone

760
00:16:10,631 –> 00:16:11,621
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

761
00:16:10,814 –> 00:16:11,715
[Ben Jones]: through some some different

762
00:16:12,161 –> 00:16:12,402
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

763
00:16:12,256 –> 00:16:15,862
[Ben Jones]: check boxes on our side and then
we’re able to get that data out there

764
00:16:15,942 –> 00:16:19,588
[Ben Jones]: right so you know we’re not just
going to take you know anyone off the

765
00:16:19,628 –> 00:16:22,132
[Ben Jones]: street right so go through some processes
there

766
00:16:22,413 –> 00:16:22,554
[paul_tyler]: ye

767
00:16:22,934 –> 00:16:23,615
[Ben Jones]: but in terms of

768
00:16:23,673 –> 00:16:25,023
[paul_tyler]: yeah

769
00:16:23,795 –> 00:16:25,157
[Ben Jones]: you know standardizing it as long

770
00:16:25,113 –> 00:16:26,133
[paul_tyler]: oh

771
00:16:25,178 –> 00:16:25,678
[Ben Jones]: as we get a data

772
00:16:25,511 –> 00:16:25,813
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

773
00:16:25,999 –> 00:16:26,981
[Ben Jones]: and we’re able to capture

774
00:16:26,780 –> 00:16:26,921
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

775
00:16:27,021 –> 00:16:30,707
[Ben Jones]: it and then put a identifier on
it and then distribute

776
00:16:30,418 –> 00:16:30,438
[paul_tyler]: a

777
00:16:30,747 –> 00:16:34,453
[Ben Jones]: it you that’s what we provide from
a standpoint we serve both right so you

778
00:16:34,513 –> 00:16:38,039
[Ben Jones]: know there is a registration fee you
know for these investment products and then there’s

779
00:16:38,079 –> 00:16:38,900
[Ben Jones]: also you know some

780
00:16:38,766 –> 00:16:38,786
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

781
00:16:39,061 –> 00:16:39,882
[Ben Jones]: data fees you know

782
00:16:39,800 –> 00:16:39,821
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

783
00:16:40,102 –> 00:16:40,643
[Ben Jones]: downstream

784
00:16:40,692 –> 00:16:40,713
[paul_tyler]: m

785
00:16:40,763 –> 00:16:41,685
[Ben Jones]: right because there is

786
00:16:41,981 –> 00:16:42,262
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

787
00:16:42,206 –> 00:16:44,370
[Ben Jones]: complex process of capturing the day

788
00:16:44,410 –> 00:16:44,591
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

789
00:16:44,590 –> 00:16:44,992
[Ben Jones]: cleansing the

790
00:16:45,011 –> 00:16:45,293
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

791
00:16:45,012 –> 00:16:46,217
[Ben Jones]: data and then distributing the data

792
00:16:46,422 –> 00:16:46,443
[paul_tyler]: m

793
00:16:47,321 –> 00:16:48,311
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

794
00:16:48,213 –> 00:16:49,173
[paul_tyler]: yeah

795
00:16:48,391 –> 00:16:48,972
[ramsey_d_smith]: there’s no question

796
00:16:48,930 –> 00:16:49,313
[Ben Jones]: yeah

797
00:16:49,032 –> 00:16:49,312
[ramsey_d_smith]: you earn

798
00:16:49,293 –> 00:16:49,634
[paul_tyler]: oh

799
00:16:49,412 –> 00:16:49,452
[ramsey_d_smith]: it

800
00:16:50,490 –> 00:16:51,180
[Ben Jones]: yeah

801
00:16:51,092 –> 00:16:51,112
[aidan_shue]: m

802
00:16:51,363 –> 00:16:52,503
[paul_tyler]: yeah

803
00:16:51,776 –> 00:16:51,876
[ramsey_d_smith]: you

804
00:16:51,803 –> 00:16:52,292
[aidan_shue]: hm

805
00:16:51,976 –> 00:16:52,657
[ramsey_d_smith]: earn it for sure

806
00:16:53,393 –> 00:16:53,616
[paul_tyler]: yeah

807
00:16:53,398 –> 00:16:53,779
[ramsey_d_smith]: for sure

808
00:16:54,111 –> 00:16:55,573
[Ben Jones]: it’s good but look

809
00:16:55,511 –> 00:16:56,120
[ramsey_d_smith]: yea

810
00:16:55,654 –> 00:16:56,234
[Ben Jones]: we provide a

811
00:16:56,231 –> 00:16:56,454
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

812
00:16:56,295 –> 00:16:59,820
[Ben Jones]: service right to aske managers and strategists

813
00:16:59,853 –> 00:17:00,075
[paul_tyler]: yeah

814
00:16:59,941 –> 00:17:01,083
[Ben Jones]: and we provide a service to

815
00:17:01,203 –> 00:17:02,607
[paul_tyler]: yah oh

816
00:17:02,345 –> 00:17:03,326
[Ben Jones]: you know the downstream

817
00:17:03,993 –> 00:17:04,013
[paul_tyler]: m

818
00:17:04,027 –> 00:17:06,292
[Ben Jones]: investment platform and the vendors

819
00:17:05,835 –> 00:17:05,856
[paul_tyler]: i

820
00:17:06,412 –> 00:17:09,178
[Ben Jones]: and the investors right and i think
that’s the key is that

821
00:17:09,221 –> 00:17:09,461
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

822
00:17:09,890 –> 00:17:14,132
[Ben Jones]: there needs to be transparency in this
industry we’re not the only ones who have

823
00:17:14,172 –> 00:17:16,295
[Ben Jones]: that mission right there’s a lot of
firms

824
00:17:16,173 –> 00:17:16,456
[paul_tyler]: oh

825
00:17:16,395 –> 00:17:21,784
[Ben Jones]: out there either data vendors or practitioners
we’re just part of that equation right where

826
00:17:22,233 –> 00:17:22,477
[paul_tyler]: oh

827
00:17:22,265 –> 00:17:24,008
[Ben Jones]: we believe that these strategies

828
00:17:23,973 –> 00:17:24,693
[paul_tyler]: oh

829
00:17:24,148 –> 00:17:25,250
[Ben Jones]: need to be found covered

830
00:17:25,442 –> 00:17:26,312
[aidan_shue]: oh

831
00:17:25,731 –> 00:17:29,677
[Ben Jones]: and discovered on a even playing field
and you know some strategies need

832
00:17:29,681 –> 00:17:30,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

833
00:17:29,998 –> 00:17:33,644
[Ben Jones]: to be behind closed doors if ye’re
kind of institutional or black box potentially

834
00:17:33,327 –> 00:17:34,253
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah oh

835
00:17:34,065 –> 00:17:36,930
[Ben Jones]: but the majority of them are being
used by a retail investor i can’t stray

836
00:17:37,010 –> 00:17:40,836
[Ben Jones]: that enough right i think about this
investors in the united states are relying

837
00:17:40,841 –> 00:17:42,281
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

838
00:17:40,876 –> 00:17:43,681
[Ben Jones]: on their four one k they need
to be able to find

839
00:17:43,992 –> 00:17:44,013
[paul_tyler]: m

840
00:17:44,101 –> 00:17:45,744
[Ben Jones]: their strategies either on their

841
00:17:45,592 –> 00:17:45,776
[paul_tyler]: yeah

842
00:17:45,701 –> 00:17:45,963
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

843
00:17:46,606 –> 00:17:48,328
[Ben Jones]: on their account unless they whoever

844
00:17:48,273 –> 00:17:48,534
[paul_tyler]: yeah

845
00:17:48,281 –> 00:17:48,501
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

846
00:17:48,369 –> 00:17:52,253
[Ben Jones]: they they’re use in or the company
uses or elsewhere right whether it’s

847
00:17:52,301 –> 00:17:52,542
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

848
00:17:52,313 –> 00:17:53,875
[Ben Jones]: being able to find it on their
apple i watched

849
00:17:53,771 –> 00:17:53,994
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

850
00:17:54,015 –> 00:17:55,197
[Ben Jones]: or be able to search it on
google

851
00:17:55,089 –> 00:17:55,170
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

852
00:17:56,038 –> 00:17:56,839
[Ben Jones]: and that’s what we provide

853
00:17:58,605 –> 00:18:02,572
[ramsey_d_smith]: so like how far are we in
that journey so like sitting in your shoes

854
00:18:03,173 –> 00:18:05,036
[ramsey_d_smith]: you’ve got a very clear mission you
want

855
00:18:05,074 –> 00:18:05,235
[Ben Jones]: yes

856
00:18:05,096 –> 00:18:09,964
[ramsey_d_smith]: to provide this transparency across a wide
you have products you know here in the

857
00:18:10,064 –> 00:18:14,592
[ramsey_d_smith]: u s and internationally and it sounds
like you already have you know you’ve got

858
00:18:14,812 –> 00:18:15,954
[ramsey_d_smith]: one like you have a lot of
market chair

859
00:18:15,932 –> 00:18:16,152
[aidan_shue]: oh

860
00:18:15,974 –> 00:18:20,301
[ramsey_d_smith]: and a lot of coverage but what’s
left to do are we early days is

861
00:18:20,341 –> 00:18:20,942
[ramsey_d_smith]: this mature

862
00:18:20,670 –> 00:18:20,854
[Ben Jones]: oh

863
00:18:21,222 –> 00:18:23,945
[ramsey_d_smith]: or is this is this early in
the cycle

864
00:18:23,670 –> 00:18:23,953
[Ben Jones]: oh

865
00:18:24,005 –> 00:18:24,726
[ramsey_d_smith]: of actually having

866
00:18:24,690 –> 00:18:24,932
[Ben Jones]: yes

867
00:18:24,766 –> 00:18:28,229
[ramsey_d_smith]: the level of coverage you think you
think should exist in

868
00:18:28,263 –> 00:18:29,133
[paul_tyler]: oh

869
00:18:28,269 –> 00:18:28,750
[ramsey_d_smith]: this market

870
00:18:28,630 –> 00:18:31,216
[Ben Jones]: it’s it’s early days right so you
know

871
00:18:31,231 –> 00:18:31,373
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

872
00:18:31,236 –> 00:18:36,434
[Ben Jones]: i think you know in the more
mature areas of the market right so i

873
00:18:36,474 –> 00:18:37,897
[Ben Jones]: think like mutual funds right

874
00:18:38,021 –> 00:18:38,303
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

875
00:18:38,057 –> 00:18:38,898
[Ben Jones]: u i t s i mean

876
00:18:39,813 –> 00:18:40,095
[paul_tyler]: yeah

877
00:18:39,940 –> 00:18:40,501
[Ben Jones]: we see new

878
00:18:40,661 –> 00:18:40,941
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

879
00:18:40,782 –> 00:18:44,788
[Ben Jones]: kind of asset classes kind of emerging
that you know these

880
00:18:44,651 –> 00:18:44,811
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

881
00:18:45,169 –> 00:18:46,992
[Ben Jones]: investments and these are providing exposure

882
00:18:46,960 –> 00:18:47,081
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

883
00:18:47,052 –> 00:18:47,172
[Ben Jones]: to

884
00:18:47,111 –> 00:18:47,453
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

885
00:18:48,254 –> 00:18:49,095
[Ben Jones]: so that’s that’s

886
00:18:48,911 –> 00:18:49,193
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

887
00:18:49,236 –> 00:18:54,024
[Ben Jones]: new and exciting in the model space
right with

888
00:18:54,732 –> 00:18:54,753
[paul_tyler]: m

889
00:18:54,805 –> 00:18:58,191
[Ben Jones]: the global investment performance standards with the
gifts you know it’s you know that’s new

890
00:18:58,391 –> 00:18:59,012
[Ben Jones]: right if you think

891
00:18:58,943 –> 00:18:59,146
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s

892
00:18:59,052 –> 00:19:02,858
[Ben Jones]: about these thousands of models that are
out there you know

893
00:19:03,851 –> 00:19:04,093
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

894
00:19:03,920 –> 00:19:09,489
[Ben Jones]: it’s a really growing space for you
know financial advisors who are plugging their clients

895
00:19:09,549 –> 00:19:14,037
[Ben Jones]: into these models and we need to
make sure you know that we provide transparency

896
00:19:14,077 –> 00:19:16,802
[Ben Jones]: there so it’s you that data is
available elsewhere they

897
00:19:16,803 –> 00:19:17,463
[paul_tyler]: oh

898
00:19:16,842 –> 00:19:19,025
[Ben Jones]: can be vented and have a third
party were you able to see

899
00:19:18,975 –> 00:19:18,995
[ramsey_d_smith]: a

900
00:19:19,065 –> 00:19:20,147
[Ben Jones]: performance or at least track

901
00:19:20,117 –> 00:19:20,158
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

902
00:19:20,247 –> 00:19:20,968
[Ben Jones]: it that’s

903
00:19:20,930 –> 00:19:20,951
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

904
00:19:21,069 –> 00:19:21,710
[Ben Jones]: early days

905
00:19:21,551 –> 00:19:21,832
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

906
00:19:21,830 –> 00:19:25,216
[Ben Jones]: the the funds in europe providing identifies
that’s

907
00:19:25,113 –> 00:19:26,433
[paul_tyler]: yeah

908
00:19:25,316 –> 00:19:25,977
[Ben Jones]: early days

909
00:19:26,763 –> 00:19:27,044
[paul_tyler]: oh

910
00:19:26,998 –> 00:19:27,219
[Ben Jones]: you know

911
00:19:27,296 –> 00:19:27,911
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm

912
00:19:27,620 –> 00:19:28,661
[Ben Jones]: two exciting

913
00:19:28,651 –> 00:19:28,893
[paul_tyler]: yeah

914
00:19:28,781 –> 00:19:29,463
[Ben Jones]: areas now

915
00:19:29,501 –> 00:19:29,684
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

916
00:19:29,623 –> 00:19:29,723
[Ben Jones]: just

917
00:19:29,793 –> 00:19:30,723
[paul_tyler]: oh

918
00:19:29,883 –> 00:19:31,386
[Ben Jones]: partner with luma financial technologies

919
00:19:31,091 –> 00:19:31,332
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

920
00:19:31,466 –> 00:19:35,713
[Ben Jones]: to to bring identify our to structure
products right so you know

921
00:19:36,011 –> 00:19:36,031
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

922
00:19:36,014 –> 00:19:36,234
[Ben Jones]: for the

923
00:19:36,243 –> 00:19:36,485
[paul_tyler]: yeah

924
00:19:36,274 –> 00:19:38,858
[Ben Jones]: longest time structure products which have a
lot of utility

925
00:19:39,911 –> 00:19:40,661
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

926
00:19:39,960 –> 00:19:43,165
[Ben Jones]: you know in the way that here
able to you know kind of augment

927
00:19:42,971 –> 00:19:43,191
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

928
00:19:43,366 –> 00:19:48,314
[Ben Jones]: risk a little bit kind of change
the investment outcome you know through downside protection

929
00:19:48,534 –> 00:19:48,975
[Ben Jones]: et cetera

930
00:19:48,993 –> 00:19:49,297
[paul_tyler]: oh

931
00:19:49,897 –> 00:19:55,065
[Ben Jones]: there was no central identify there was
no single symbology that was being used where

932
00:19:55,085 –> 00:19:59,192
[Ben Jones]: you could go find a structure product
vehicle across different platforms or let alone even

933
00:19:59,292 –> 00:20:04,661
[Ben Jones]: on important financial research platforms so we
have a partnership with with uma and they’re

934
00:20:04,721 –> 00:20:09,730
[Ben Jones]: getting their data available now on the
morning star advisor work station where basically you

935
00:20:09,770 –> 00:20:11,453
[Ben Jones]: know these products

936
00:20:11,223 –> 00:20:11,243
[paul_tyler]: m

937
00:20:11,613 –> 00:20:13,616
[Ben Jones]: are now emerging and

938
00:20:13,623 –> 00:20:13,908
[paul_tyler]: oh

939
00:20:13,716 –> 00:20:17,523
[Ben Jones]: creating a really unique expert and so
i think that opens up the door though

940
00:20:17,623 –> 00:20:17,863
[Ben Jones]: other

941
00:20:17,771 –> 00:20:18,014
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

942
00:20:18,304 –> 00:20:20,668
[Ben Jones]: you know investment vehicles that don’t have
an identifyer

943
00:20:20,621 –> 00:20:20,844
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

944
00:20:20,728 –> 00:20:23,613
[Ben Jones]: that you would think would not be
early days because why didn’t they have one

945
00:20:23,653 –> 00:20:24,334
[Ben Jones]: to begin with but

946
00:20:24,200 –> 00:20:24,221
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

947
00:20:24,675 –> 00:20:25,776
[Ben Jones]: you know you mentioned annuities

948
00:20:25,301 –> 00:20:25,622
[ramsey_d_smith]: uh

949
00:20:25,795 –> 00:20:26,039
[paul_tyler]: okay

950
00:20:25,897 –> 00:20:26,898
[Ben Jones]: right the way that annuities

951
00:20:26,729 –> 00:20:26,890
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

952
00:20:26,918 –> 00:20:30,885
[Ben Jones]: are being used i umyouknowadvisors you that’s
changing

953
00:20:30,851 –> 00:20:31,053
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

954
00:20:30,965 –> 00:20:32,147
[Ben Jones]: where you know the whole

955
00:20:32,109 –> 00:20:32,231
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

956
00:20:32,207 –> 00:20:32,868
[Ben Jones]: saling models

957
00:20:32,891 –> 00:20:33,132
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

958
00:20:32,908 –> 00:20:36,875
[Ben Jones]: now become more like a consultative right
and so they are consulting

959
00:20:36,941 –> 00:20:37,558
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye

960
00:20:36,955 –> 00:20:38,037
[Ben Jones]: and providing guidance

961
00:20:37,721 –> 00:20:38,004
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

962
00:20:38,077 –> 00:20:39,319
[Ben Jones]: but at the end of the day
the advisor

963
00:20:39,581 –> 00:20:39,601
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

964
00:20:39,880 –> 00:20:41,102
[Ben Jones]: um is ultimately making a decision

965
00:20:41,081 –> 00:20:41,101
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

966
00:20:41,282 –> 00:20:45,309
[Ben Jones]: s using different platforms to do research
and fine performance and maybe having a single

967
00:20:45,329 –> 00:20:50,057
[Ben Jones]: identifyer there would improve the user experience
and so you know ramsey it’s a long

968
00:20:50,077 –> 00:20:53,663
[Ben Jones]: winded answer but it’s early days but
i think that’s important because

969
00:20:53,374 –> 00:20:53,555
[ramsey_d_smith]: sure

970
00:20:53,763 –> 00:20:54,693
[paul_tyler]: oh

971
00:20:54,284 –> 00:20:56,187
[Ben Jones]: you know what makes this industry so
dynamic

972
00:20:55,807 –> 00:20:55,827
[paul_tyler]: h

973
00:20:56,267 –> 00:20:57,269
[Ben Jones]: that it’s constantly changing

974
00:20:56,922 –> 00:20:56,943
[paul_tyler]: h

975
00:20:57,469 –> 00:20:58,651
[Ben Jones]: right the needs of investors

976
00:20:58,323 –> 00:20:58,608
[paul_tyler]: oh

977
00:20:58,671 –> 00:20:59,072
[Ben Jones]: are constantly

978
00:20:59,021 –> 00:20:59,285
[ramsey_d_smith]: my

979
00:20:59,112 –> 00:21:01,776
[Ben Jones]: changing and what we open up the
conversation with is that

980
00:21:01,683 –> 00:21:01,888
[paul_tyler]: oh

981
00:21:02,237 –> 00:21:03,900
[Ben Jones]: you know technology is

982
00:21:03,873 –> 00:21:04,134
[paul_tyler]: oh

983
00:21:03,940 –> 00:21:07,584
[Ben Jones]: evolving right we start off with newspaper
and then we have the internet well now

984
00:21:07,644 –> 00:21:08,906
[Ben Jones]: that’s changed a little bit where

985
00:21:08,976 –> 00:21:08,997
[ramsey_d_smith]: a

986
00:21:09,246 –> 00:21:09,606
[Ben Jones]: we’re not goin

987
00:21:09,612 –> 00:21:09,633
[paul_tyler]: m

988
00:21:09,627 –> 00:21:10,808
[Ben Jones]: t get into web three point in
the

989
00:21:10,736 –> 00:21:10,796
[ramsey_d_smith]: no

990
00:21:10,828 –> 00:21:11,489
[Ben Jones]: metovers but

991
00:21:11,891 –> 00:21:12,761
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

992
00:21:12,730 –> 00:21:13,091
[Ben Jones]: the way

993
00:21:13,061 –> 00:21:13,282
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

994
00:21:13,231 –> 00:21:16,256
[Ben Jones]: that users are consuming information in the
future is gonna be very different han what

995
00:21:16,276 –> 00:21:19,041
[Ben Jones]: it is today and so n f
n will at least be able to play

996
00:21:19,081 –> 00:21:23,148
[Ben Jones]: a part in that by providing a
standard his identification service to get that data

997
00:21:23,208 –> 00:21:24,980
[Ben Jones]: out there m

998
00:21:25,134 –> 00:21:29,040
[paul_tyler]: yeah so you mentioned the word annuity
so i’ve got to got to push a

999
00:21:29,080 –> 00:21:29,741
[paul_tyler]: little harder here so

1000
00:21:29,866 –> 00:21:30,251
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm

1001
00:21:30,110 –> 00:21:30,602
[aidan_shue]: hm

1002
00:21:30,341 –> 00:21:30,361
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1003
00:21:30,362 –> 00:21:33,307
[paul_tyler]: i think this is a harder question
for you but but you may be may

1004
00:21:33,367 –> 00:21:37,174
[paul_tyler]: not be that hard for you which
is what are the ope tunities here for

1005
00:21:37,214 –> 00:21:38,456
[paul_tyler]: the next couple of years i

1006
00:21:38,981 –> 00:21:39,263
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1007
00:21:39,057 –> 00:21:40,940
[paul_tyler]: imagine you’re talking to you know one
of our

1008
00:21:41,059 –> 00:21:41,201
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1009
00:21:42,442 –> 00:21:46,028
[paul_tyler]: you know the guy in our company
who develops the new products

1010
00:21:45,641 –> 00:21:46,391
[ramsey_d_smith]: my

1011
00:21:46,489 –> 00:21:47,451
[paul_tyler]: or you’re talking

1012
00:21:47,141 –> 00:21:47,487
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1013
00:21:47,551 –> 00:21:52,129
[paul_tyler]: to some of our tribute talk to
advisors what are the big opportunities

1014
00:21:53,710 –> 00:21:57,236
[Ben Jones]: so i think the opportunities that we
see right

1015
00:21:57,245 –> 00:21:57,366
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1016
00:21:57,316 –> 00:22:01,964
[Ben Jones]: now a lot of it is you
know the way that you know retail

1017
00:22:01,865 –> 00:22:01,886
[ramsey_d_smith]: a

1018
00:22:02,024 –> 00:22:06,752
[Ben Jones]: investors are kind of investing i think
that’s where the opportunity and the elephant

1019
00:22:06,551 –> 00:22:06,831
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1020
00:22:06,792 –> 00:22:09,697
[Ben Jones]: in the room is you know the
retirement space and so

1021
00:22:10,323 –> 00:22:10,564
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1022
00:22:10,478 –> 00:22:11,860
[Ben Jones]: i think the opportunities for us is

1023
00:22:11,791 –> 00:22:11,952
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1024
00:22:11,900 –> 00:22:15,366
[Ben Jones]: that you know you again i’m not
going to get ramsey and

1025
00:22:15,333 –> 00:22:15,354
[ramsey_d_smith]: i

1026
00:22:15,546 –> 00:22:15,686
[Ben Jones]: paul

1027
00:22:15,601 –> 00:22:15,642
[ramsey_d_smith]: do

1028
00:22:15,747 –> 00:22:18,611
[Ben Jones]: you know that’s better but i did
see a headline something that we are exploring

1029
00:22:18,651 –> 00:22:20,274
[Ben Jones]: but you know we’re beginning to see

1030
00:22:20,411 –> 00:22:20,654
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1031
00:22:21,123 –> 00:22:21,391
[paul_tyler]: my

1032
00:22:21,176 –> 00:22:23,720
[Ben Jones]: other types of investment vehicles being used
in retirement

1033
00:22:23,441 –> 00:22:24,131
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1034
00:22:23,760 –> 00:22:28,308
[Ben Jones]: accounts right i think annuities being one
of them and so if that’s the case

1035
00:22:28,388 –> 00:22:31,313
[Ben Jones]: you know we need to have standardized
identification process

1036
00:22:31,241 –> 00:22:32,171
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1037
00:22:31,393 –> 00:22:31,533
[Ben Jones]: for

1038
00:22:31,572 –> 00:22:31,593
[paul_tyler]: m

1039
00:22:31,593 –> 00:22:36,621
[Ben Jones]: these new investment vehicles in these new
accounts right we were able to aid

1040
00:22:36,641 –> 00:22:37,422
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1041
00:22:36,661 –> 00:22:39,426
[Ben Jones]: and can go into really in depth
about this but the c

1042
00:22:39,522 –> 00:22:39,707
[aidan_shue]: yeah

1043
00:22:39,566 –> 00:22:40,788
[Ben Jones]: i t is a colectivinvestment trust

1044
00:22:40,830 –> 00:22:41,111
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1045
00:22:40,929 –> 00:22:46,375
[Ben Jones]: right there no really central identification for
these cits and so n f n you

1046
00:22:46,395 –> 00:22:48,637
[Ben Jones]: know brought that service to market eight
and if you want to go in

1047
00:22:48,611 –> 00:22:48,792
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1048
00:22:48,677 –> 00:22:50,319
[Ben Jones]: there i mean that’s that’s important too

1049
00:22:50,409 –> 00:22:53,212
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah ah oh

1050
00:22:53,385 –> 00:22:53,612
[paul_tyler]: yea

1051
00:22:53,662 –> 00:22:56,487
[aidan_shue]: yeah i think the opportunity for for
annuities is very similar

1052
00:22:56,471 –> 00:22:56,772
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah

1053
00:22:56,567 –> 00:22:58,750
[aidan_shue]: to kind of what what happened with
cits

1054
00:22:58,320 –> 00:22:58,460
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah

1055
00:22:58,811 –> 00:23:01,735
[aidan_shue]: you know the plan participants need to
have access to those

1056
00:23:01,773 –> 00:23:02,122
[paul_tyler]: oh

1057
00:23:02,256 –> 00:23:04,800
[aidan_shue]: c i t plans regardless of whether
you know they’re trading

1058
00:23:04,577 –> 00:23:04,597
[paul_tyler]: m

1059
00:23:04,841 –> 00:23:07,017
[aidan_shue]: them on it a daily basis they’re
obviously not

1060
00:23:07,061 –> 00:23:07,322
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1061
00:23:08,283 –> 00:23:11,006
[aidan_shue]: but you know that exact same way
you know cits

1062
00:23:10,920 –> 00:23:11,040
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1063
00:23:11,166 –> 00:23:14,671
[aidan_shue]: they started moving down market into kind
of the small and medium sized plans

1064
00:23:15,260 –> 00:23:15,281
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1065
00:23:15,472 –> 00:23:16,414
[aidan_shue]: company started lowering

1066
00:23:16,361 –> 00:23:17,390
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1067
00:23:16,474 –> 00:23:17,796
[aidan_shue]: minimum and they just became a lot

1068
00:23:17,681 –> 00:23:17,922
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1069
00:23:17,876 –> 00:23:19,158
[aidan_shue]: more prevalent in four one k

1070
00:23:19,190 –> 00:23:19,331
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1071
00:23:19,359 –> 00:23:19,679
[aidan_shue]: plans

1072
00:23:20,471 –> 00:23:20,672
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1073
00:23:20,661 –> 00:23:22,704
[aidan_shue]: that seems to be kind of the
trajectory for

1074
00:23:22,610 –> 00:23:22,631
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1075
00:23:23,085 –> 00:23:24,747
[aidan_shue]: annuities as well and so

1076
00:23:24,762 –> 00:23:24,905
[ramsey_d_smith]: yes

1077
00:23:24,908 –> 00:23:30,297
[aidan_shue]: to have that transparency where the record
keeps s are you know incorporating these searchable

1078
00:23:30,378 –> 00:23:30,758
[aidan_shue]: symbols

1079
00:23:30,805 –> 00:23:31,030
[paul_tyler]: okay

1080
00:23:30,858 –> 00:23:33,303
[aidan_shue]: in their in their marketing materials

1081
00:23:33,575 –> 00:23:33,657
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

1082
00:23:33,984 –> 00:23:37,451
[aidan_shue]: fact sheets and things like that you
know that’s that’s important

1083
00:23:38,049 –> 00:23:38,070
[Ben Jones]: m

1084
00:23:38,123 –> 00:23:38,626
[aidan_shue]: so i see i

1085
00:23:38,591 –> 00:23:38,893
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1086
00:23:38,706 –> 00:23:42,979
[aidan_shue]: see a very similar trajectory as thousand
cits

1087
00:23:44,004 –> 00:23:44,847
[paul_tyler]: ramsey do agree

1088
00:23:45,493 –> 00:23:49,660
[ramsey_d_smith]: sure i agree completely i mean i
guess i’ll start with the notion that that

1089
00:23:50,321 –> 00:23:50,701
[ramsey_d_smith]: the entire

1090
00:23:50,643 –> 00:23:50,884
[paul_tyler]: oh

1091
00:23:50,762 –> 00:23:57,813
[ramsey_d_smith]: four n k industry has there’s very
little penetration in it from from um guaranteed

1092
00:23:57,853 –> 00:24:04,164
[ramsey_d_smith]: income solutions so i and my company
were a very strong believer that that that

1093
00:24:04,224 –> 00:24:07,289
[ramsey_d_smith]: needs to change we also think that
that it needs to be part of the

1094
00:24:07,329 –> 00:24:09,172
[ramsey_d_smith]: default so that

1095
00:24:09,201 –> 00:24:09,303
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1096
00:24:09,252 –> 00:24:11,416
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know that you will the default

1097
00:24:11,493 –> 00:24:11,754
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1098
00:24:11,496 –> 00:24:14,902
[ramsey_d_smith]: strategy is usually a target date fund
we think those target date pons should include

1099
00:24:15,093 –> 00:24:15,319
[paul_tyler]: yes

1100
00:24:15,803 –> 00:24:18,888
[ramsey_d_smith]: an innuiting component we think that the
delivery methods

1101
00:24:18,900 –> 00:24:19,126
[Ben Jones]: yeah

1102
00:24:18,949 –> 00:24:19,570
[ramsey_d_smith]: should be through c

1103
00:24:19,662 –> 00:24:19,683
[paul_tyler]: m

1104
00:24:19,730 –> 00:24:26,722
[ramsey_d_smith]: i t because they’re most cost effective
and because there’s an ongoing management need right

1105
00:24:27,683 –> 00:24:32,291
[ramsey_d_smith]: essentially there’s a glide path that you
have to manage and adjust you know on

1106
00:24:32,591 –> 00:24:33,593
[ramsey_d_smith]: a very regular basis

1107
00:24:33,393 –> 00:24:33,634
[paul_tyler]: oh

1108
00:24:33,673 –> 00:24:39,282
[ramsey_d_smith]: and you need sort of daily daily
information passing from record keepers to glide path

1109
00:24:39,343 –> 00:24:42,868
[ramsey_d_smith]: managers to all the various sort of
folks in the in the value chain there

1110
00:24:43,590 –> 00:24:48,959
[ramsey_d_smith]: and to be to do that based
on a an efficient and efficient way of

1111
00:24:49,039 –> 00:24:53,987
[ramsey_d_smith]: actually one determining value and to being
able to dissource it and find it it

1112
00:24:54,167 –> 00:24:57,593
[ramsey_d_smith]: makes all the sense in the world
so one of the things that that i

1113
00:24:57,653 –> 00:25:01,700
[ramsey_d_smith]: think is often lost in this industry
is that is that we spent a lot

1114
00:25:01,740 –> 00:25:08,111
[ramsey_d_smith]: of time creating really interesting and complex
machines if you will or products but ultimate

1115
00:25:09,693 –> 00:25:09,974
[ramsey_d_smith]: a lot

1116
00:25:09,822 –> 00:25:09,843
[paul_tyler]: m

1117
00:25:10,014 –> 00:25:12,217
[ramsey_d_smith]: of what customers want and frankly

1118
00:25:12,093 –> 00:25:13,143
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1119
00:25:12,257 –> 00:25:15,663
[ramsey_d_smith]: a lot of intermediaries want is just
to be able to see what’s going on

1120
00:25:15,723 –> 00:25:17,366
[ramsey_d_smith]: when it’s going on and so that

1121
00:25:17,463 –> 00:25:18,123
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1122
00:25:17,526 –> 00:25:19,630
[ramsey_d_smith]: that simple element of transparency

1123
00:25:18,963 –> 00:25:20,043
[paul_tyler]: oh

1124
00:25:19,690 –> 00:25:19,950
[ramsey_d_smith]: i think

1125
00:25:19,952 –> 00:25:19,972
[aidan_shue]: m

1126
00:25:21,052 –> 00:25:22,394
[ramsey_d_smith]: way more sort of primal

1127
00:25:22,203 –> 00:25:23,313
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1128
00:25:22,474 –> 00:25:24,077
[ramsey_d_smith]: to the success of everything we’re trying
to

1129
00:25:24,102 –> 00:25:24,123
[paul_tyler]: m

1130
00:25:24,137 –> 00:25:30,147
[ramsey_d_smith]: do than sometimes we as an industry
realized so you know i’ll say ut to

1131
00:25:30,207 –> 00:25:31,269
[ramsey_d_smith]: say that i’m a believer in what

1132
00:25:31,269 –> 00:25:31,290
[Ben Jones]: m

1133
00:25:31,309 –> 00:25:32,792
[ramsey_d_smith]: you’re what you’re doing because i think
it’s

1134
00:25:32,974 –> 00:25:33,074
[paul_tyler]: ah

1135
00:25:33,213 –> 00:25:35,077
[ramsey_d_smith]: super important i think lack of transparency

1136
00:25:34,563 –> 00:25:34,843
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1137
00:25:35,157 –> 00:25:36,139
[ramsey_d_smith]: kills a lot of great ideas

1138
00:25:36,485 –> 00:25:37,626
[paul_tyler]: yeah and i’ll

1139
00:25:37,571 –> 00:25:38,441
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1140
00:25:37,646 –> 00:25:39,768
[paul_tyler]: just add on it’s time for our
conversation

1141
00:25:39,701 –> 00:25:40,691
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1142
00:25:39,828 –> 00:25:41,751
[paul_tyler]: is great you know we just did
a survey of all our

1143
00:25:41,750 –> 00:25:41,771
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1144
00:25:41,791 –> 00:25:42,972
[paul_tyler]: top producers around

1145
00:25:42,821 –> 00:25:43,082
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1146
00:25:43,963 –> 00:25:46,847
[paul_tyler]: what’s make driving them to make recommendations

1147
00:25:46,871 –> 00:25:47,113
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1148
00:25:48,230 –> 00:25:51,715
[paul_tyler]: what makes them feel more comfortable with
making one strategy

1149
00:25:51,341 –> 00:25:52,121
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1150
00:25:51,796 –> 00:25:54,420
[paul_tyler]: recommendation versus another and there’s

1151
00:25:54,371 –> 00:25:55,031
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1152
00:25:54,460 –> 00:25:59,128
[paul_tyler]: been a lot of pressure from some
of our distributors to make it very transparent

1153
00:25:59,328 –> 00:26:01,271
[paul_tyler]: as to renewal rates on

1154
00:26:01,481 –> 00:26:02,261
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1155
00:26:01,852 –> 00:26:09,726
[paul_tyler]: different crediting strategies so that’s that whole
another convert ation here but i’m curious if

1156
00:26:09,766 –> 00:26:13,091
[paul_tyler]: you if you went through i don’t
know how many how many f is you

1157
00:26:13,111 –> 00:26:15,816
[paul_tyler]: think there are today i think i’ve
seen some huge numbers there must be

1158
00:26:16,611 –> 00:26:16,791
[ramsey_d_smith]: there

1159
00:26:16,717 –> 00:26:16,837
[paul_tyler]: what

1160
00:26:16,831 –> 00:26:17,672
[ramsey_d_smith]: have to be hundreds

1161
00:26:17,999 –> 00:26:18,480
[paul_tyler]: hunters will

1162
00:26:18,514 –> 00:26:18,614
[ramsey_d_smith]: yea

1163
00:26:18,520 –> 00:26:19,021
[paul_tyler]: say there two

1164
00:26:19,075 –> 00:26:19,175
[ramsey_d_smith]: yea

1165
00:26:19,101 –> 00:26:25,532
[paul_tyler]: hunder two hon each one may have
at least five strategies at this point right

1166
00:26:25,632 –> 00:26:28,857
[paul_tyler]: so we’re talking the magnate of at
least a couple of maybe a thousand

1167
00:26:28,571 –> 00:26:28,732
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1168
00:26:28,897 –> 00:26:30,079
[paul_tyler]: two thousand different strategies

1169
00:26:30,491 –> 00:26:31,241
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1170
00:26:30,580 –> 00:26:34,906
[paul_tyler]: you know ben what’s the penetre and
like can i what percentage do you think

1171
00:26:34,987 –> 00:26:38,932
[paul_tyler]: of these strategians inside f is are
running though your network at this point

1172
00:26:39,122 –> 00:26:39,349
[aidan_shue]: oh

1173
00:26:39,190 –> 00:26:41,193
[Ben Jones]: so so right now i

1174
00:26:41,171 –> 00:26:42,071
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1175
00:26:41,233 –> 00:26:42,616
[Ben Jones]: think we’re ating like less than

1176
00:26:42,782 –> 00:26:43,412
[aidan_shue]: yeah

1177
00:26:42,856 –> 00:26:46,222
[Ben Jones]: a hundred kind of strategies and that
we’ve kind of labeled as annuities

1178
00:26:45,843 –> 00:26:45,863
[paul_tyler]: m

1179
00:26:46,262 –> 00:26:47,043
[Ben Jones]: that are

1180
00:26:46,762 –> 00:26:46,927
[aidan_shue]: yeah

1181
00:26:47,163 –> 00:26:48,065
[Ben Jones]: registered on the nasac

1182
00:26:47,832 –> 00:26:47,853
[paul_tyler]: m

1183
00:26:48,145 –> 00:26:48,285
[Ben Jones]: fund

1184
00:26:48,243 –> 00:26:48,503
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1185
00:26:48,345 –> 00:26:52,773
[Ben Jones]: network and have their data being dust
but ed or more importantly have their data

1186
00:26:53,153 –> 00:26:55,057
[Ben Jones]: kind of connected with a central

1187
00:26:55,023 –> 00:26:55,266
[paul_tyler]: oh

1188
00:26:55,177 –> 00:26:55,778
[Ben Jones]: identifyer

1189
00:26:55,923 –> 00:26:56,853
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1190
00:26:56,470 –> 00:26:57,191
[Ben Jones]: published by n

1191
00:26:57,303 –> 00:26:58,533
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1192
00:26:57,311 –> 00:26:58,954
[Ben Jones]: f n so i think the penetration
right now

1193
00:26:58,953 –> 00:26:59,135
[paul_tyler]: oh

1194
00:26:58,974 –> 00:26:59,555
[Ben Jones]: is really low

1195
00:26:59,853 –> 00:27:00,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: trace

1196
00:26:59,855 –> 00:27:01,017
[Ben Jones]: i would argue but i think

1197
00:27:01,013 –> 00:27:01,175
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1198
00:27:01,077 –> 00:27:01,658
[Ben Jones]: the good news is

1199
00:27:01,742 –> 00:27:01,904
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1200
00:27:01,758 –> 00:27:02,820
[Ben Jones]: paul is that it’s growing

1201
00:27:02,853 –> 00:27:03,095
[paul_tyler]: oh

1202
00:27:03,041 –> 00:27:04,864
[Ben Jones]: right as that number is much higher
i don’t know the

1203
00:27:04,893 –> 00:27:06,183
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1204
00:27:04,904 –> 00:27:05,324
[Ben Jones]: percentage

1205
00:27:05,636 –> 00:27:05,739
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

1206
00:27:05,665 –> 00:27:06,426
[Ben Jones]: than it was at say

1207
00:27:06,453 –> 00:27:07,953
[paul_tyler]: oh

1208
00:27:06,767 –> 00:27:10,012
[Ben Jones]: two three four or five years ago
and so i think it’s only a matter

1209
00:27:10,072 –> 00:27:12,737
[Ben Jones]: of time and i think part of
it is that you know we talked about

1210
00:27:12,777 –> 00:27:13,939
[Ben Jones]: transparency being so important

1211
00:27:13,623 –> 00:27:13,643
[paul_tyler]: m

1212
00:27:14,159 –> 00:27:18,406
[Ben Jones]: for investments and these different investment vehicles
we’ve been talking

1213
00:27:18,131 –> 00:27:18,373
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1214
00:27:18,486 –> 00:27:18,807
[Ben Jones]: about

1215
00:27:19,301 –> 00:27:19,561
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1216
00:27:19,969 –> 00:27:24,216
[Ben Jones]: but i think also important layer is
education right it’s like we have

1217
00:27:24,223 –> 00:27:24,387
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1218
00:27:24,376 –> 00:27:25,478
[Ben Jones]: to be able to educate

1219
00:27:25,203 –> 00:27:26,223
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1220
00:27:26,051 –> 00:27:26,293
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1221
00:27:26,059 –> 00:27:27,982
[Ben Jones]: we think about educating the individual vest
or

1222
00:27:28,001 –> 00:27:28,243
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah

1223
00:27:28,022 –> 00:27:29,625
[Ben Jones]: but we also need to educate the
asset

1224
00:27:29,498 –> 00:27:29,640
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah

1225
00:27:29,665 –> 00:27:30,066
[Ben Jones]: managers

1226
00:27:29,951 –> 00:27:29,971
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1227
00:27:30,146 –> 00:27:33,351
[Ben Jones]: right in these f i as that
hate this service is available this is what’s

1228
00:27:33,431 –> 00:27:37,578
[Ben Jones]: provided this is why it’s important and
so we have we have

1229
00:27:37,653 –> 00:27:37,714
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

1230
00:27:37,698 –> 00:27:40,463
[Ben Jones]: a big job at n f n
right so and that’s part of it

1231
00:27:40,473 –> 00:27:40,696
[paul_tyler]: oh

1232
00:27:40,523 –> 00:27:41,825
[Ben Jones]: and also just you now educating

1233
00:27:42,003 –> 00:27:42,203
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1234
00:27:42,346 –> 00:27:45,852
[Ben Jones]: um downsrim investors as well and so
the penetration is low but

1235
00:27:45,851 –> 00:27:46,133
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1236
00:27:45,952 –> 00:27:48,797
[Ben Jones]: we believe that there’s an opportunity for
because we’ve seen that number grow

1237
00:27:48,740 –> 00:27:49,445
[ramsey_d_smith]: m yeah

1238
00:27:49,203 –> 00:27:49,505
[paul_tyler]: oh

1239
00:27:49,418 –> 00:27:50,319
[Ben Jones]: slowly and

1240
00:27:50,381 –> 00:27:50,624
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1241
00:27:50,640 –> 00:27:51,982
[Ben Jones]: you know hopefully you know with

1242
00:27:51,993 –> 00:27:52,893
[paul_tyler]: oh

1243
00:27:52,022 –> 00:27:53,525
[Ben Jones]: this conversation that kind of opens

1244
00:27:53,373 –> 00:27:53,615
[paul_tyler]: oh

1245
00:27:53,605 –> 00:27:53,905
[Ben Jones]: up hey

1246
00:27:53,801 –> 00:27:54,551
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1247
00:27:54,286 –> 00:27:54,887
[Ben Jones]: you know there

1248
00:27:54,881 –> 00:27:55,103
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1249
00:27:54,927 –> 00:27:56,049
[Ben Jones]: are some more possibilities

1250
00:27:55,622 –> 00:27:56,252
[aidan_shue]: oh

1251
00:27:56,189 –> 00:27:56,309
[Ben Jones]: week

1252
00:27:56,278 –> 00:27:56,441
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1253
00:27:56,298 –> 00:27:56,479
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1254
00:27:56,450 –> 00:27:56,852
[Ben Jones]: we need to

1255
00:27:56,801 –> 00:27:57,122
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1256
00:27:56,892 –> 00:27:58,180
[Ben Jones]: have a identifier

1257
00:27:58,143 –> 00:27:58,365
[paul_tyler]: oh

1258
00:27:58,280 –> 00:27:59,226
[Ben Jones]: for these products

1259
00:27:59,621 –> 00:27:59,863
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1260
00:28:00,523 –> 00:28:00,663
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1261
00:28:00,649 –> 00:28:00,791
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1262
00:28:00,723 –> 00:28:04,490
[paul_tyler]: well i’ll here’s a problem ramsey agree
or disagree with me which

1263
00:28:04,451 –> 00:28:05,321
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1264
00:28:04,550 –> 00:28:08,316
[paul_tyler]: is god just try to find the
performance on these funds if i’m an adviser

1265
00:28:08,356 –> 00:28:13,505
[paul_tyler]: in the field um okay im gonna
look up the indus i’m assuming through n

1266
00:28:13,645 –> 00:28:15,889
[paul_tyler]: f n are you tracking

1267
00:28:15,941 –> 00:28:16,242
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1268
00:28:16,149 –> 00:28:18,613
[paul_tyler]: the underling index are you

1269
00:28:18,611 –> 00:28:19,691
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1270
00:28:19,154 –> 00:28:19,535
[paul_tyler]: tracking

1271
00:28:19,781 –> 00:28:20,063
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1272
00:28:20,416 –> 00:28:25,804
[paul_tyler]: tracking the index and what the crediting
strategy on top of that right

1273
00:28:25,840 –> 00:28:25,900
[Ben Jones]: to

1274
00:28:25,845 –> 00:28:25,986
[paul_tyler]: now

1275
00:28:25,940 –> 00:28:29,643
[Ben Jones]: my knowledge is going to be the
strategy on top of it right

1276
00:28:29,654 –> 00:28:29,716
[ramsey_d_smith]: at

1277
00:28:30,967 –> 00:28:31,128
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1278
00:28:31,164 –> 00:28:32,405
[Ben Jones]: so from our standpoint like we don’t

1279
00:28:32,951 –> 00:28:33,174
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1280
00:28:33,066 –> 00:28:33,926
[Ben Jones]: naze does have kind

1281
00:28:33,907 –> 00:28:34,050
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1282
00:28:33,966 –> 00:28:36,328
[Ben Jones]: of an index service but nownfnis

1283
00:28:36,233 –> 00:28:36,436
[paul_tyler]: right

1284
00:28:36,388 –> 00:28:36,789
[Ben Jones]: not that

1285
00:28:37,820 –> 00:28:37,841
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1286
00:28:38,644 –> 00:28:39,946
[paul_tyler]: yeah no because i think

1287
00:28:40,211 –> 00:28:40,536
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1288
00:28:40,547 –> 00:28:42,029
[paul_tyler]: what i ave to do right now
i will have to

1289
00:28:42,401 –> 00:28:42,583
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1290
00:28:42,450 –> 00:28:42,871
[paul_tyler]: i would have to

1291
00:28:42,842 –> 00:28:42,862
[aidan_shue]: m

1292
00:28:42,991 –> 00:28:44,694
[paul_tyler]: go unless i use a couple of

1293
00:28:44,711 –> 00:28:45,551
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1294
00:28:44,794 –> 00:28:47,458
[paul_tyler]: software you know services some of whom
we’ve had on the show

1295
00:28:48,221 –> 00:28:48,501
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1296
00:28:48,600 –> 00:28:51,548
[paul_tyler]: it’s really tough i mean i have
to go to the website

1297
00:28:51,530 –> 00:28:51,611
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1298
00:28:51,689 –> 00:28:56,898
[paul_tyler]: for that whoever is managing the index
then i go got to go back to

1299
00:28:56,918 –> 00:29:03,049
[paul_tyler]: the insurance company and figure out where
let me see your crediting strategies is a

1300
00:29:03,089 –> 00:29:03,189
[paul_tyler]: real

1301
00:29:03,270 –> 00:29:03,930
[Ben Jones]: yeah

1302
00:29:03,289 –> 00:29:04,170
[paul_tyler]: manual process

1303
00:29:03,990 –> 00:29:04,376
[Ben Jones]: yes

1304
00:29:04,511 –> 00:29:06,041
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1305
00:29:04,751 –> 00:29:07,858
[paul_tyler]: to do this i got to rely
on one carrier’s illustrations period

1306
00:29:08,390 –> 00:29:12,136
[Ben Jones]: it is and you know i experience
that a little bit on my days on

1307
00:29:12,236 –> 00:29:14,801
[Ben Jones]: the research side working with financial advisors

1308
00:29:14,831 –> 00:29:15,091
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1309
00:29:15,442 –> 00:29:18,707
[Ben Jones]: more so in the other end of
the nuit space on the variable annuity side

1310
00:29:18,787 –> 00:29:18,867
[Ben Jones]: of

1311
00:29:19,040 –> 00:29:19,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: right

1312
00:29:19,248 –> 00:29:19,468
[Ben Jones]: you know

1313
00:29:19,713 –> 00:29:19,897
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1314
00:29:19,889 –> 00:29:20,089
[Ben Jones]: okay

1315
00:29:19,893 –> 00:29:20,098
[paul_tyler]: oh

1316
00:29:20,290 –> 00:29:20,650
[Ben Jones]: these funds

1317
00:29:20,621 –> 00:29:20,986
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1318
00:29:20,690 –> 00:29:24,457
[Ben Jones]: are available through this carrier but you
know why can i not see these funds

1319
00:29:24,537 –> 00:29:28,063
[Ben Jones]: on your research platform right for charting
and performance you know purposes

1320
00:29:28,025 –> 00:29:28,045
[paul_tyler]: i

1321
00:29:28,183 –> 00:29:33,171
[Ben Jones]: so yeah i mean look it’s it’s
an air of opportunity you know we would

1322
00:29:33,211 –> 00:29:34,914
[Ben Jones]: love to have these conversations

1323
00:29:35,013 –> 00:29:35,295
[paul_tyler]: oh

1324
00:29:35,471 –> 00:29:35,713
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1325
00:29:35,555 –> 00:29:38,340
[Ben Jones]: with these f i s and have
aided and our

1326
00:29:38,411 –> 00:29:38,431
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1327
00:29:38,480 –> 00:29:40,884
[Ben Jones]: n f n team kind of talk
about this

1328
00:29:40,721 –> 00:29:41,003
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1329
00:29:41,705 –> 00:29:42,867
[Ben Jones]: in a more formal setting and

1330
00:29:42,792 –> 00:29:42,813
[paul_tyler]: m

1331
00:29:43,809 –> 00:29:44,635
[Ben Jones]: because at the the day

1332
00:29:44,756 –> 00:29:44,776
[paul_tyler]: i

1333
00:29:44,939 –> 00:29:50,307
[Ben Jones]: it’s now there is clearly a problem
you know we believe that we have a

1334
00:29:50,367 –> 00:29:52,711
[Ben Jones]: solution and i think but what’s important
about though is that

1335
00:29:52,601 –> 00:29:52,883
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1336
00:29:52,911 –> 00:29:56,257
[Ben Jones]: as i said in the beginning you
each asset class each instrument is

1337
00:29:56,351 –> 00:29:56,654
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1338
00:29:56,417 –> 00:30:00,905
[Ben Jones]: different and you know from a product
standpoint right you know the most important thing

1339
00:30:00,965 –> 00:30:02,527
[Ben Jones]: about being a product manager it’s

1340
00:30:02,819 –> 00:30:02,840
[ramsey_d_smith]: a

1341
00:30:02,968 –> 00:30:05,813
[Ben Jones]: you know the voice of the customer
right make sure we are delivering the right

1342
00:30:05,861 –> 00:30:06,165
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1343
00:30:05,873 –> 00:30:10,340
[Ben Jones]: product for the customer to solve a
certain solution and so we’re hapy to hae

1344
00:30:10,360 –> 00:30:12,103
[Ben Jones]: these conversations say hey do we need
to make

1345
00:30:12,061 –> 00:30:12,162
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1346
00:30:12,143 –> 00:30:15,629
[Ben Jones]: improvements do we need make enhancements are
we really tracking the right part of let’s

1347
00:30:15,669 –> 00:30:15,749
[Ben Jones]: say

1348
00:30:15,753 –> 00:30:16,653
[paul_tyler]: oh

1349
00:30:15,810 –> 00:30:16,350
[Ben Jones]: this product

1350
00:30:16,451 –> 00:30:16,471
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1351
00:30:16,811 –> 00:30:20,117
[Ben Jones]: and so i think that’s important about
n f n is that we tackle it

1352
00:30:20,557 –> 00:30:21,659
[Ben Jones]: from with a really

1353
00:30:21,611 –> 00:30:22,361
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1354
00:30:21,840 –> 00:30:25,485
[Ben Jones]: client customer centric angle and so if
there is a problem we

1355
00:30:25,490 –> 00:30:25,511
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1356
00:30:25,525 –> 00:30:27,268
[Ben Jones]: believe we have a solution but let’s
have that conversation

1357
00:30:29,111 –> 00:30:29,131
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1358
00:30:30,306 –> 00:30:30,389
[paul_tyler]: ah

1359
00:30:31,571 –> 00:30:32,411
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1360
00:30:32,753 –> 00:30:33,033
[paul_tyler]: i guess

1361
00:30:33,341 –> 00:30:33,582
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1362
00:30:34,536 –> 00:30:34,876
[paul_tyler]: this will

1363
00:30:34,850 –> 00:30:34,991
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1364
00:30:34,917 –> 00:30:37,441
[paul_tyler]: be this is going to sound like
it’s coming out of out of the blue

1365
00:30:37,521 –> 00:30:42,629
[paul_tyler]: but this weekend as i was sort
of thinking through our questions we have i

1366
00:30:42,730 –> 00:30:46,364
[paul_tyler]: got this survey from apple meat sick
kind of inter

1367
00:30:46,361 –> 00:30:47,141
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1368
00:30:46,524 –> 00:30:48,948
[paul_tyler]: like how how do these two connect
well

1369
00:30:49,223 –> 00:30:49,384
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1370
00:30:49,562 –> 00:30:49,784
[aidan_shue]: uh

1371
00:30:49,750 –> 00:30:49,970
[paul_tyler]: uh

1372
00:30:50,271 –> 00:30:50,312
[aidan_shue]: uh

1373
00:30:50,531 –> 00:30:51,813
[paul_tyler]: they’re clearly were testing you

1374
00:30:51,761 –> 00:30:52,292
[ramsey_d_smith]: yes

1375
00:30:51,873 –> 00:30:54,658
[paul_tyler]: know what do what do they do
with their apple music

1376
00:30:54,521 –> 00:30:54,829
[ramsey_d_smith]: yes

1377
00:30:54,698 –> 00:30:56,000
[paul_tyler]: because some ways they kind

1378
00:30:55,871 –> 00:30:56,741
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1379
00:30:56,040 –> 00:30:58,985
[paul_tyler]: of do what you’re doing is they
provide discoverability

1380
00:30:58,520 –> 00:30:58,541
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1381
00:30:59,366 –> 00:31:04,594
[paul_tyler]: for these songs they kind of have
a way for people to monetize their music

1382
00:31:04,562 –> 00:31:04,582
[ramsey_d_smith]: h

1383
00:31:05,256 –> 00:31:05,816
[paul_tyler]: what else do they

1384
00:31:05,870 –> 00:31:05,891
[ramsey_d_smith]: h

1385
00:31:05,917 –> 00:31:09,703
[paul_tyler]: do with it and you know one
of the services they were clearly test was

1386
00:31:10,504 –> 00:31:14,411
[paul_tyler]: hey does paul want to create his
own radio station like i don’t

1387
00:31:14,400 –> 00:31:14,702
[Ben Jones]: oh

1388
00:31:14,431 –> 00:31:14,711
[paul_tyler]: know maybe

1389
00:31:14,621 –> 00:31:16,601
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1390
00:31:14,811 –> 00:31:15,132
[paul_tyler]: i don’t know if

1391
00:31:15,129 –> 00:31:15,662
[aidan_shue]: hm

1392
00:31:15,192 –> 00:31:16,835
[paul_tyler]: you were ramsey listen to it let
on

1393
00:31:16,901 –> 00:31:17,124
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1394
00:31:16,915 –> 00:31:17,215
[paul_tyler]: anybody

1395
00:31:17,120 –> 00:31:17,261
[Ben Jones]: i’ll

1396
00:31:17,296 –> 00:31:17,456
[paul_tyler]: else

1397
00:31:17,302 –> 00:31:17,585
[Ben Jones]: sign up

1398
00:31:17,616 –> 00:31:17,696
[paul_tyler]: if

1399
00:31:17,625 –> 00:31:17,949
[Ben Jones]: paul don’t

1400
00:31:17,857 –> 00:31:17,877
[paul_tyler]: i

1401
00:31:17,969 –> 00:31:18,131
[Ben Jones]: worry

1402
00:31:17,997 –> 00:31:20,361
[paul_tyler]: were you’ll sign up okay and send
me a

1403
00:31:20,402 –> 00:31:20,826
[aidan_shue]: uh

1404
00:31:20,962 –> 00:31:21,402
[paul_tyler]: half a penny

1405
00:31:21,291 –> 00:31:21,332
[aidan_shue]: uh

1406
00:31:21,483 –> 00:31:23,025
[paul_tyler]: here the other one was

1407
00:31:23,261 –> 00:31:23,502
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1408
00:31:24,127 –> 00:31:29,095
[paul_tyler]: curation and recommendations and they really had
a lot of questions around like g why

1409
00:31:29,155 –> 00:31:31,820
[paul_tyler]: do you come in how do you
find the music what are you doing here

1410
00:31:32,441 –> 00:31:33,022
[paul_tyler]: if you looked

1411
00:31:32,801 –> 00:31:33,491
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1412
00:31:33,242 –> 00:31:34,187
[paul_tyler]: at um

1413
00:31:35,171 –> 00:31:35,433
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1414
00:31:35,232 –> 00:31:37,284
[paul_tyler]: m let’s say partners you wish you

1415
00:31:37,241 –> 00:31:37,502
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1416
00:31:37,384 –> 00:31:39,566
[paul_tyler]: had me there are

1417
00:31:39,610 –> 00:31:39,791
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1418
00:31:39,666 –> 00:31:46,112
[paul_tyler]: people doing enough with your network um
to really you know make this thing like

1419
00:31:46,121 –> 00:31:46,363
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1420
00:31:46,823 –> 00:31:49,046
[paul_tyler]: you know you know totally on the
market place do you have

1421
00:31:49,211 –> 00:31:49,473
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1422
00:31:49,527 –> 00:31:50,248
[paul_tyler]: are their partners you

1423
00:31:50,201 –> 00:31:50,461
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1424
00:31:50,328 –> 00:31:52,812
[paul_tyler]: wish you had over the next couple
of years

1425
00:31:53,190 –> 00:31:54,933
[Ben Jones]: that’s a great question one i

1426
00:31:54,932 –> 00:31:54,993
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

1427
00:31:54,999 –> 00:31:55,020
[paul_tyler]: a

1428
00:31:55,013 –> 00:31:59,461
[Ben Jones]: love you now bringing in kind of
you know outside concepts you know from different

1429
00:31:59,481 –> 00:32:02,766
[Ben Jones]: industries right you know especially you know
from a n f n standpoint as we

1430
00:32:02,786 –> 00:32:04,429
[Ben Jones]: think about we are a platform right
here

1431
00:32:04,481 –> 00:32:05,340
[ramsey_d_smith]: yea

1432
00:32:04,529 –> 00:32:07,235
[Ben Jones]: now different than a lot of these
different market places and platforms that exist

1433
00:32:06,993 –> 00:32:07,134
[paul_tyler]: ye

1434
00:32:07,295 –> 00:32:12,927
[Ben Jones]: you know you amazon think apple music
you name it and so wow

1435
00:32:13,083 –> 00:32:14,716
[paul_tyler]: oh oh

1436
00:32:14,751 –> 00:32:16,714
[Ben Jones]: apple is able to provide recommendations

1437
00:32:16,833 –> 00:32:17,853
[paul_tyler]: oh

1438
00:32:16,834 –> 00:32:21,242
[Ben Jones]: based off of like your your preferences
and how you’ve used the data know n

1439
00:32:21,342 –> 00:32:22,383
[Ben Jones]: f we’re not gonna be doing that

1440
00:32:22,422 –> 00:32:22,443
[paul_tyler]: m

1441
00:32:22,504 –> 00:32:24,026
[Ben Jones]: right and we leave that up to

1442
00:32:24,792 –> 00:32:24,813
[paul_tyler]: m

1443
00:32:24,848 –> 00:32:25,168
[Ben Jones]: investment

1444
00:32:25,053 –> 00:32:25,356
[paul_tyler]: oh

1445
00:32:25,208 –> 00:32:25,549
[Ben Jones]: professional

1446
00:32:25,511 –> 00:32:25,753
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1447
00:32:25,729 –> 00:32:27,972
[Ben Jones]: advice there the institutions who are taking
this data to

1448
00:32:27,972 –> 00:32:27,993
[paul_tyler]: m

1449
00:32:28,012 –> 00:32:30,555
[Ben Jones]: make the inform decision right we do
provide

1450
00:32:30,483 –> 00:32:30,766
[paul_tyler]: oh

1451
00:32:30,595 –> 00:32:31,676
[Ben Jones]: the data we don’t provide the

1452
00:32:31,743 –> 00:32:31,966
[paul_tyler]: oh

1453
00:32:31,757 –> 00:32:36,473
[Ben Jones]: algorithm per se but you know that
is changing a little bit in terms of

1454
00:32:36,874 –> 00:32:38,036
[Ben Jones]: you know can

1455
00:32:37,961 –> 00:32:38,221
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1456
00:32:38,096 –> 00:32:41,121
[Ben Jones]: we get the data out there in
new in different ways to answer the one

1457
00:32:41,181 –> 00:32:44,527
[Ben Jones]: question is that yes i believe data
partners are using the data in the right

1458
00:32:44,587 –> 00:32:49,816
[Ben Jones]: way and very creative innovative way right
there’s any number of platforms that adan mentioned

1459
00:32:50,316 –> 00:32:53,522
[Ben Jones]: that are using this data analyzing creating

1460
00:32:53,403 –> 00:32:54,723
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1461
00:32:53,582 –> 00:32:54,263
[Ben Jones]: new analytic

1462
00:32:54,212 –> 00:32:54,492
[aidan_shue]: yeah

1463
00:32:54,383 –> 00:32:57,308
[Ben Jones]: and data points and getting it in
front of the investor in unique

1464
00:32:57,152 –> 00:32:57,275
[ramsey_d_smith]: your

1465
00:32:57,388 –> 00:32:58,537
[Ben Jones]: ways um

1466
00:32:59,030 –> 00:32:59,051
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1467
00:32:59,169 –> 00:33:00,521
[Ben Jones]: m however you know we are

1468
00:33:00,573 –> 00:33:00,819
[paul_tyler]: oh

1469
00:33:00,581 –> 00:33:03,306
[Ben Jones]: working on some initiatives within n f
n to make sure that we are able

1470
00:33:03,366 –> 00:33:07,233
[Ben Jones]: to get our data out there in
new different ways right so you know we

1471
00:33:07,293 –> 00:33:07,733
[Ben Jones]: have some

1472
00:33:07,743 –> 00:33:08,024
[paul_tyler]: oh

1473
00:33:08,254 –> 00:33:09,617
[Ben Jones]: unique tings that were working on internally

1474
00:33:09,491 –> 00:33:09,777
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1475
00:33:09,663 –> 00:33:09,945
[paul_tyler]: oh

1476
00:33:10,361 –> 00:33:10,602
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1477
00:33:10,618 –> 00:33:13,702
[Ben Jones]: one is with a partner in the
website you know is going to be able

1478
00:33:13,742 –> 00:33:14,022
[Ben Jones]: to take

1479
00:33:14,102 –> 00:33:14,203
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1480
00:33:14,242 –> 00:33:16,644
[Ben Jones]: nazacfunnetwork data and get it out there
and allow

1481
00:33:16,481 –> 00:33:16,722
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1482
00:33:16,804 –> 00:33:18,466
[Ben Jones]: comparisons of different investment vehicles

1483
00:33:18,350 –> 00:33:18,510
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1484
00:33:18,566 –> 00:33:19,787
[Ben Jones]: right so you know we know

1485
00:33:19,722 –> 00:33:19,803
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

1486
00:33:19,847 –> 00:33:20,528
[Ben Jones]: that an important

1487
00:33:20,471 –> 00:33:20,491
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1488
00:33:21,008 –> 00:33:23,321
[Ben Jones]: question is you know how do i
decide between

1489
00:33:23,292 –> 00:33:23,313
[paul_tyler]: m

1490
00:33:23,361 –> 00:33:27,929
[Ben Jones]: this to that mutual fund you know
let me compare performance and analytic ratings and

1491
00:33:27,949 –> 00:33:30,934
[Ben Jones]: differen things like that so we’re working
on initiative like that i hope to be

1492
00:33:30,994 –> 00:33:31,194
[Ben Jones]: rolling

1493
00:33:31,237 –> 00:33:31,418
[ramsey_d_smith]: yes

1494
00:33:31,254 –> 00:33:32,937
[Ben Jones]: out in the end of october

1495
00:33:33,401 –> 00:33:33,645
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1496
00:33:33,878 –> 00:33:34,139
[Ben Jones]: and we’re

1497
00:33:34,083 –> 00:33:34,983
[paul_tyler]: yes

1498
00:33:34,159 –> 00:33:35,141
[Ben Jones]: always for you know

1499
00:33:35,103 –> 00:33:35,506
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1500
00:33:35,111 –> 00:33:35,454
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1501
00:33:35,381 –> 00:33:38,526
[Ben Jones]: new partnerships right so i don’t have
that dream paul of hey this is that

1502
00:33:38,626 –> 00:33:39,368
[Ben Jones]: right partner in the

1503
00:33:39,401 –> 00:33:40,331
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1504
00:33:39,408 –> 00:33:40,229
[Ben Jones]: right place at the right

1505
00:33:40,263 –> 00:33:40,283
[paul_tyler]: m

1506
00:33:40,309 –> 00:33:40,570
[Ben Jones]: time

1507
00:33:40,772 –> 00:33:41,972
[aidan_shue]: uh

1508
00:33:41,171 –> 00:33:41,555
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1509
00:33:41,231 –> 00:33:41,932
[Ben Jones]: but i do

1510
00:33:41,963 –> 00:33:42,165
[paul_tyler]: right

1511
00:33:42,072 –> 00:33:43,414
[Ben Jones]: know that if

1512
00:33:43,563 –> 00:33:43,824
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1513
00:33:43,895 –> 00:33:44,737
[Ben Jones]: they are reaching

1514
00:33:44,450 –> 00:33:44,471
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1515
00:33:44,913 –> 00:33:45,762
[paul_tyler]: oh

1516
00:33:44,937 –> 00:33:48,122
[Ben Jones]: the investor and doing it in the
right way which

1517
00:33:48,048 –> 00:33:48,068
[ramsey_d_smith]: i

1518
00:33:48,262 –> 00:33:49,905
[Ben Jones]: is you know providing transparency

1519
00:33:50,351 –> 00:33:50,632
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1520
00:33:50,366 –> 00:33:53,551
[Ben Jones]: they’re doing it with integrity making sure
that the data is labeled right

1521
00:33:53,861 –> 00:33:53,922
[ramsey_d_smith]: the

1522
00:33:54,613 –> 00:33:56,035
[Ben Jones]: if they’re providing some added value

1523
00:33:56,059 –> 00:33:56,140
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye

1524
00:33:56,075 –> 00:33:59,321
[Ben Jones]: with analytics or things like that the
perfect partner

1525
00:33:59,103 –> 00:34:00,243
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1526
00:33:59,762 –> 00:34:03,047
[Ben Jones]: right um you know so don’t have
a good answer for you in terms of

1527
00:34:03,308 –> 00:34:04,169
[Ben Jones]: who it is but

1528
00:34:04,203 –> 00:34:04,983
[paul_tyler]: oh

1529
00:34:04,429 –> 00:34:05,090
[Ben Jones]: i can tell you kind of what

1530
00:34:05,021 –> 00:34:05,831
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1531
00:34:05,111 –> 00:34:08,576
[Ben Jones]: they would look like um and so
we’re always exploring that because

1532
00:34:08,390 –> 00:34:08,411
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1533
00:34:08,917 –> 00:34:09,858
[Ben Jones]: you know what

1534
00:34:09,813 –> 00:34:09,915
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

1535
00:34:09,919 –> 00:34:10,720
[Ben Jones]: we want to do to

1536
00:34:10,661 –> 00:34:11,561
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1537
00:34:10,900 –> 00:34:12,303
[Ben Jones]: help get the data from these

1538
00:34:12,342 –> 00:34:12,363
[paul_tyler]: m

1539
00:34:12,443 –> 00:34:17,090
[Ben Jones]: as managers out there and so we
do that with the then fan

1540
00:34:16,962 –> 00:34:16,983
[paul_tyler]: m

1541
00:34:17,171 –> 00:34:18,292
[Ben Jones]: infrastructure and getting it

1542
00:34:18,350 –> 00:34:18,371
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1543
00:34:18,353 –> 00:34:19,274
[Ben Jones]: out to the important players

1544
00:34:19,143 –> 00:34:19,384
[paul_tyler]: oh

1545
00:34:19,334 –> 00:34:23,241
[Ben Jones]: like morning star and blomberg ofinitive and
that a mentioned also some of these up

1546
00:34:23,281 –> 00:34:25,985
[Ben Jones]: and coming and research platforms i think
you now we talked about newspapers

1547
00:34:25,563 –> 00:34:25,784
[paul_tyler]: oh

1548
00:34:26,045 –> 00:34:26,346
[Ben Jones]: being that

1549
00:34:26,351 –> 00:34:26,552
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1550
00:34:26,446 –> 00:34:27,808
[Ben Jones]: fin tech back in the eighties

1551
00:34:27,912 –> 00:34:27,933
[paul_tyler]: m

1552
00:34:27,949 –> 00:34:29,211
[Ben Jones]: right but you know we’ve seen

1553
00:34:29,133 –> 00:34:30,513
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1554
00:34:29,231 –> 00:34:30,252
[Ben Jones]: this explosion

1555
00:34:29,610 –> 00:34:29,711
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1556
00:34:30,333 –> 00:34:30,673
[Ben Jones]: of wealth

1557
00:34:30,693 –> 00:34:31,533
[paul_tyler]: oh

1558
00:34:30,793 –> 00:34:32,977
[Ben Jones]: tech and fin tech lately right

1559
00:34:33,011 –> 00:34:33,273
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1560
00:34:33,017 –> 00:34:34,419
[Ben Jones]: with all these new websites

1561
00:34:34,383 –> 00:34:35,251
[paul_tyler]: ye

1562
00:34:34,841 –> 00:34:35,101
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1563
00:34:34,920 –> 00:34:37,885
[Ben Jones]: ap you know i think interesting one
would be robin hood right who

1564
00:34:37,830 –> 00:34:37,970
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1565
00:34:37,925 –> 00:34:38,166
[Ben Jones]: would have

1566
00:34:38,185 –> 00:34:38,205
[paul_tyler]: a

1567
00:34:38,186 –> 00:34:39,428
[Ben Jones]: thought that you know all

1568
00:34:39,341 –> 00:34:39,645
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1569
00:34:39,448 –> 00:34:40,109
[Ben Jones]: of a sudden commission

1570
00:34:40,023 –> 00:34:40,389
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1571
00:34:40,149 –> 00:34:43,354
[Ben Jones]: free trading and you can trade a
stock no differently than you can trade you

1572
00:34:43,414 –> 00:34:44,376
[Ben Jones]: know crypto currency

1573
00:34:44,480 –> 00:34:44,501
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1574
00:34:44,536 –> 00:34:45,358
[Ben Jones]: well you know i

1575
00:34:45,341 –> 00:34:46,331
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1576
00:34:45,398 –> 00:34:45,538
[Ben Jones]: think

1577
00:34:45,483 –> 00:34:45,687
[paul_tyler]: ye

1578
00:34:45,658 –> 00:34:49,785
[Ben Jones]: that’s going to be changing and some
of these you know older more mature investment

1579
00:34:49,832 –> 00:34:49,913
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

1580
00:34:49,945 –> 00:34:50,666
[Ben Jones]: areas right think

1581
00:34:50,679 –> 00:34:50,840
[ramsey_d_smith]: yes

1582
00:34:50,747 –> 00:34:53,331
[Ben Jones]: mutual funds you know there are even
some fin tech

1583
00:34:53,443 –> 00:34:53,524
[ramsey_d_smith]: he

1584
00:34:53,772 –> 00:34:54,673
[Ben Jones]: trading platforms

1585
00:34:54,551 –> 00:34:54,794
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1586
00:34:54,713 –> 00:34:58,099
[Ben Jones]: that you know they don’t even have
mutual funds available right i think

1587
00:34:58,016 –> 00:34:58,119
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah

1588
00:34:58,159 –> 00:35:01,144
[Ben Jones]: that could hanged because we know that
there’s plenty of utility and benefit in

1589
00:35:01,301 –> 00:35:01,321
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1590
00:35:01,545 –> 00:35:04,630
[Ben Jones]: some of the investment vehicles as well
so the future is exciting

1591
00:35:04,451 –> 00:35:04,553
[ramsey_d_smith]: so

1592
00:35:04,690 –> 00:35:06,653
[Ben Jones]: paul but the cool thing is

1593
00:35:06,641 –> 00:35:06,661
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1594
00:35:06,713 –> 00:35:11,364
[Ben Jones]: is that the same concepts and problems
that apple music is trying to solve we’re

1595
00:35:11,424 –> 00:35:12,610
[Ben Jones]: trying to solve that as well but
just

1596
00:35:12,612 –> 00:35:12,633
[paul_tyler]: m

1597
00:35:12,671 –> 00:35:12,791
[Ben Jones]: with

1598
00:35:12,821 –> 00:35:13,062
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1599
00:35:13,213 –> 00:35:13,796
[Ben Jones]: investment data

1600
00:35:14,591 –> 00:35:14,791
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1601
00:35:16,230 –> 00:35:16,950
[Ben Jones]: yeah

1602
00:35:16,377 –> 00:35:19,038
[paul_tyler]: ramsey i don’t know final

1603
00:35:19,061 –> 00:35:19,081
[ramsey_d_smith]: i

1604
00:35:19,120 –> 00:35:19,324
[paul_tyler]: thought

1605
00:35:19,181 –> 00:35:19,622
[ramsey_d_smith]: think this as

1606
00:35:19,883 –> 00:35:20,024
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1607
00:35:19,942 –> 00:35:21,044
[ramsey_d_smith]: i think this has been great i
mean

1608
00:35:20,979 –> 00:35:21,000
[Ben Jones]: m

1609
00:35:21,465 –> 00:35:21,846
[ramsey_d_smith]: as as

1610
00:35:21,901 –> 00:35:22,023
[paul_tyler]: right

1611
00:35:21,926 –> 00:35:21,946
[ramsey_d_smith]: i

1612
00:35:22,683 –> 00:35:23,004
[paul_tyler]: oh

1613
00:35:22,747 –> 00:35:25,111
[ramsey_d_smith]: could of said before like at the
end

1614
00:35:25,080 –> 00:35:25,770
[Ben Jones]: oh

1615
00:35:25,151 –> 00:35:27,094
[ramsey_d_smith]: of the day if you can if

1616
00:35:27,060 –> 00:35:27,568
[Ben Jones]: my

1617
00:35:27,144 –> 00:35:27,508
[paul_tyler]: yea

1618
00:35:27,154 –> 00:35:35,308
[ramsey_d_smith]: you’re creating a universal identifyer that is
broadly available through multiple channels so that the

1619
00:35:35,428 –> 00:35:37,291
[ramsey_d_smith]: people that create the underlying

1620
00:35:37,173 –> 00:35:37,476
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1621
00:35:37,371 –> 00:35:38,593
[ramsey_d_smith]: products don’t have to actually go

1622
00:35:38,672 –> 00:35:39,272
[aidan_shue]: oh

1623
00:35:38,714 –> 00:35:38,994
[ramsey_d_smith]: out and

1624
00:35:38,973 –> 00:35:39,216
[paul_tyler]: oh

1625
00:35:40,016 –> 00:35:43,121
[ramsey_d_smith]: try and convince every channel to sort
of care their

1626
00:35:43,353 –> 00:35:44,253
[paul_tyler]: oh

1627
00:35:43,482 –> 00:35:44,804
[ramsey_d_smith]: information i think

1628
00:35:44,703 –> 00:35:44,945
[paul_tyler]: oh

1629
00:35:44,864 –> 00:35:51,194
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s extremely valuable to the vendor sort
of the product creator i think it’s valuable

1630
00:35:51,255 –> 00:35:55,261
[ramsey_d_smith]: to the people that are that are
in the middle of the ecosystem all right

1631
00:35:55,782 –> 00:35:58,867
[ramsey_d_smith]: so that’s that’s all the various intermediaries
that are involved and i think it’s very

1632
00:35:58,987 –> 00:36:00,270
[ramsey_d_smith]: valuable to the consumer

1633
00:35:59,883 –> 00:36:01,023
[paul_tyler]: yah

1634
00:36:00,330 –> 00:36:01,351
[ramsey_d_smith]: because comers want

1635
00:36:01,233 –> 00:36:01,475
[paul_tyler]: yeah

1636
00:36:01,411 –> 00:36:03,856
[ramsey_d_smith]: to see they put their hard earned
money to work they

1637
00:36:03,870 –> 00:36:04,073
[Ben Jones]: yes

1638
00:36:03,896 –> 00:36:07,581
[ramsey_d_smith]: want to see how it’s doing from
one day to the next so you accomplishing

1639
00:36:07,232 –> 00:36:07,354
[aidan_shue]: yeah

1640
00:36:07,662 –> 00:36:08,262
[ramsey_d_smith]: all of that

1641
00:36:08,193 –> 00:36:09,063
[paul_tyler]: my

1642
00:36:09,083 –> 00:36:11,486
[ramsey_d_smith]: and you know europe sort of broadening
that kind of

1643
00:36:11,565 –> 00:36:11,646
[paul_tyler]: ah

1644
00:36:11,566 –> 00:36:14,290
[ramsey_d_smith]: courage that i think it’s a very
important service

1645
00:36:14,862 –> 00:36:18,669
[paul_tyler]: m yeah well it has been a
great conversation maiden ben

1646
00:36:18,620 –> 00:36:18,641
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1647
00:36:18,969 –> 00:36:21,133
[paul_tyler]: what’s the best way for people to
reach out and get

1648
00:36:21,101 –> 00:36:21,121
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1649
00:36:21,213 –> 00:36:26,602
[paul_tyler]: touch with you because i think a
lot of different types of listeners may be

1650
00:36:26,742 –> 00:36:28,205
[paul_tyler]: cured it’s about you know

1651
00:36:28,490 –> 00:36:28,511
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1652
00:36:28,586 –> 00:36:29,748
[paul_tyler]: how to work with you or

1653
00:36:29,840 –> 00:36:29,861
[ramsey_d_smith]: m

1654
00:36:30,549 –> 00:36:31,170
[paul_tyler]: engage with you

1655
00:36:33,422 –> 00:36:35,347
[aidan_shue]: yeah well they can just they can
email nazdack

1656
00:36:35,171 –> 00:36:35,413
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1657
00:36:35,548 –> 00:36:36,129
[aidan_shue]: fund network

1658
00:36:36,159 –> 00:36:36,320
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1659
00:36:36,370 –> 00:36:36,410
[aidan_shue]: at

1660
00:36:36,431 –> 00:36:36,752
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1661
00:36:36,490 –> 00:36:39,017
[aidan_shue]: nazdack dot com ask any questions

1662
00:36:38,711 –> 00:36:39,731
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1663
00:36:39,057 –> 00:36:42,636
[aidan_shue]: they might have i’d be happy to
set up a call and dig in with

1664
00:36:42,676 –> 00:36:42,816
[aidan_shue]: them

1665
00:36:43,181 –> 00:36:43,481
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1666
00:36:43,738 –> 00:36:48,309
[aidan_shue]: or they email me directly aiding dot
sh e as dot dot com as well

1667
00:36:50,623 –> 00:36:51,064
[aidan_shue]: we’d be

1668
00:36:51,042 –> 00:36:51,063
[paul_tyler]: m

1669
00:36:51,144 –> 00:36:51,626
[aidan_shue]: happy to

1670
00:36:51,584 –> 00:36:51,665
[paul_tyler]: so

1671
00:36:52,488 –> 00:36:52,749
[aidan_shue]: to kind

1672
00:36:52,713 –> 00:36:54,393
[paul_tyler]: oh

1673
00:36:52,809 –> 00:36:56,360
[aidan_shue]: of you know showcase our service to
anyone who’s interested

1674
00:36:56,063 –> 00:37:00,089
[paul_tyler]: okay terrific we’ll we’ll put those put
those in the notes ben and thank you

1675
00:37:00,251 –> 00:37:00,577
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1676
00:37:00,430 –> 00:37:00,770
[paul_tyler]: ramsey

1677
00:37:00,939 –> 00:37:00,960
[Ben Jones]: m

1678
00:37:01,421 –> 00:37:01,743
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1679
00:37:01,592 –> 00:37:02,073
[paul_tyler]: appreciate

1680
00:37:01,714 –> 00:37:02,019
[aidan_shue]: awesome

1681
00:37:02,133 –> 00:37:02,453
[paul_tyler]: it and

1682
00:37:02,408 –> 00:37:02,549
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh

1683
00:37:03,154 –> 00:37:03,936
[paul_tyler]: i can’t believe summers

1684
00:37:04,015 –> 00:37:04,035
[Ben Jones]: m

1685
00:37:04,036 –> 00:37:04,677
[paul_tyler]: over and

1686
00:37:04,749 –> 00:37:04,770
[Ben Jones]: m

1687
00:37:05,162 –> 00:37:05,385
[aidan_shue]: yeah

1688
00:37:05,999 –> 00:37:06,159
[paul_tyler]: gets

1689
00:37:06,071 –> 00:37:06,376
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1690
00:37:06,220 –> 00:37:09,247
[paul_tyler]: time to fasten the seat belt in
push on to the end of

1691
00:37:09,251 –> 00:37:09,491
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1692
00:37:09,287 –> 00:37:10,371
[paul_tyler]: the year thanks so much

1693
00:37:10,322 –> 00:37:10,887
[aidan_shue]: uh

1694
00:37:10,920 –> 00:37:11,185
[Ben Jones]: thank you

1695
00:37:11,331 –> 00:37:11,934
[aidan_shue]: uh all right

1696
00:37:11,860 –> 00:37:12,040
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah

1697
00:37:11,975 –> 00:37:12,116
[aidan_shue]: thank

1698
00:37:12,113 –> 00:37:12,274
[paul_tyler]: thank

1699
00:37:12,157 –> 00:37:12,237
[aidan_shue]: you

1700
00:37:12,231 –> 00:37:12,352
[ramsey_d_smith]: take

1701
00:37:12,278 –> 00:37:12,419
[aidan_shue]: guys

1702
00:37:12,334 –> 00:37:12,455
[paul_tyler]: you

1703
00:37:12,392 –> 00:37:12,553
[ramsey_d_smith]: care

1704
00:37:12,717 –> 00:37:12,938
[paul_tyler]: thanks

1705
00:37:12,855 –> 00:37:13,076
[ramsey_d_smith]: verbi

1706
00:37:13,039 –> 00:37:13,260
[paul_tyler]: bye

The discussion is not meant to provide any legal, tax, or investment advice with respect to the purchase of an insurance product. A comprehensive evaluation of a consumer’s needs and financial situation should always occur in order to help determine if an insurance product may be appropriate for each unique situation.

Ashley SaundersEpisode 162: Discovering Models and Indices with the Nasdaq Fund Network

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